Graphical Column Schedule question

[jenniferd]

Hi All,
I want to add additional "fields" of information into my graphical column schedule.
I would like to add fields to show base plate type, base plate size, anchor bolt size, anchor bolt length and comments. Is it possible to schedule this all in one schedule or do I need to create separate schedules (graphical column schedule and separate column schedule with the above info in that schedule).
Thanks, Jen

[Paul Andersen]

Separate schedules are currently required although the Factory is aware that we are interested in these additional fields.

[jenniferd]

That's good to know.
One other thing, I have checked Group Similar Locations in element properties and I have text "leaking out" of my column location row in the schedule in some columns. How can I increase the vertical height of the column location row in the schedule?
Thanks Jen

[david_peterson]

One thing may be to check the scale of the col schedule. Just a thought.

[jenniferd]

Nope, not the scale.....

[david_peterson]

From my understanding, the Graphical column schedule can't really be modified at this point (Unless you can figure out how it's put together and do it yourself). I don't think you can get the "Cells" to get any taller without changing the elevation of the levels (they are linked/scaled) so I think you may be out of luck. Paul may have a few tricks up his sleeve, but I don't know of any.

[jenniferd]

I completely understand that the cell height is related to the level elevations. It is the bottom row of cells for column locations that is not associated to a level that I need to increase the vertical height so the text is contained within the cell..

[david_peterson]

Oh, I did this once before. What did I do. Now I remember. In the view, right click and pick the "view Props" and select the "grid apperence". There you can adjust the vertical and horizontal cell widths above and below top/bot of col. Enjoy

[jenniferd]

okay... I have an attachment.
Below Bottom Level is not the Column location row. I can adjust the width For column locations to get all the text within the cells in question but then my schedule is unnecessarily wide. All I want to do is expand the height of the column location row.

[Thomas Maleski]

I was playing around with this this morning. I create a new level, in elevation, but deselect the Make Plan View option. I create it 10' below the last level. Create the column schedule and go to its properties. Under Hidden Levels, I selected the previously created level. It leaves a large gap. Place it on a sheet and then use detail lines to create the horizontal division(s) and text for the info required. If a new column is created, the text will need to be adjusted.


I had a thought to "the factory". Have an instance parameter applied to columns for baseplate and piers. Then give us the ability to apply to the schedule.

[jenniferd]

I was just going on to base plates. I was hoping that somehow (miraculously obviously) that by checking off base plate symbol under graphics in element properties of a column that a base plate mark would "just show up" in my graphical column schedule.
Another factory thought...baseplate's! or do most structural folks not really use them LOL!
I am still disappointed I cannot adjust the vertical height of the column location row, I didn't want to have to fuss about with something like that.

[rebeccamcwilliams]

One problem with this method... you are not able to draw detail or model lines in a graphical column schedule. So you have 10' of height but cannot draw separation lines between the text. Or were you going to annotate on the sheet view?

[djn]

The "Below bottom levels should adjust the column mark height, but it will also adjust the space between the column mark row and the first level.
For Base plate sizes we use a tag and a project parameter that is associated with the columns. If would be nice if they had this built into the column schedule.

Edit- Opps I didn't realize that the thread was 2 years old.

[david_peterson]

To do that we created a "Column Family" that has anchor rods, a base plate size & thickness, and grout thickness.
Attach to to bottom of your column. Because it's a column you can schedule. You do have to move the tag on the schedule, and along with the column and you would need to add info for each different type. Plus since Revit only looks due north at your columns, when they sit on a skewed grid, they appear rotated along with the base plate.
So what you're asking for can be done, it's just a real pain the backside. Plus you need to create your base pl family as a parametric component so you can get it to display correctly on the plan if you so choose. Now this still won't address braced columns with the addition of a shear lug, but I bet you could do it.

[andrew.lawrence]

OK, so the next question is, does anyone know how to change the lineweight of the base plate symbol on the column schedule? When I go to edit the Connections-Column-Plate family, there is no line drawn anywhere in the family. So I can't find anything to edit.

Even if I could edit something, I think there would still be a problem. I can edit the splice plate family, and change the line weight of the splice plates lines in the family, but when I bring it back into my project, the line weight of my splice plates doesn't change.

I want to make the base plates thicker, so that they stand out against the grid line behind them. THanks.

** EDIT ** Well, I found my own answer. Open Object Styles, Annotation Objects, then edit the Connection Symbols line weight. I had looked before, but didn't see it. Duh!

[mholzer]

Hi All,
I want to add additional "fields" of information into my graphical column schedule.
I would like to add fields to show base plate type, base plate size, anchor bolt size, anchor bolt length and comments. Is it possible to schedule this all in one schedule or do I need to create separate schedules (graphical column schedule and separate column schedule with the above info in that schedule).
Thanks, Jen


Still no updates in Revit Structure 2011 to allow for these additional fields. Is the factory planning on upgrading the Graphical Column Schedule? Is everyone still using the workarounds mentioned in this thread for scheduling base plates, and rods, etc. in the GCS?

[david_peterson]

Personally I don't. Then again, I do most of my detailing in Cad so I don't have to deal with with these workarounds. But Yes, the workaround mentioned above is still the only way I know of to do it. Only other option is to go by column types and not sizes. You could then relate "C3" to a detail that shows a column size and base plate info.

[mholzer]

Gotcha, thanks David.

[david_peterson]

I should also mention that when this feature was created (from what little I remember about RS1) it was designed to be used more as a design aid and not a true column schedule like I was used to seeing (ie I don't believe it was designed with the intention of ever having base pl or dowel information on it. Purely column size (or type) location & basic length.
I've seen this in really old projects (usually concrete buildings) where column type C3 would be used in many different places, but always had the same reinforcing. Under the schedule there's be a few little details that would show and label bars and ties. Not really effective for steel, but Concrete isn't to bad.