walls joins viewed at different levels do not match

[mmiles]

Hi,

I have variety of wall types and joins which in and of itself is complicated. I have corner conditions where things have joined the way I want and appear correctly in plan view. But the RCP view does not match the join condition as the plan view. Why is this?

And, why does it appear correctly sometimes, but the next day, without having made any changes, it appears differently than before the last save.

T.I.A.

[dhurtubise]

Did you checked the height of those walls ?
Can you clean it with Join Geometry

[roy.70844]

also try the edit wall joins command off the tools menu (or find the icon near top right) and try the different butt or mitre options to achieve the result you want.

Roy

[mmiles]

Yes I have checked the height and they match, though base offsets (well below the plan cuts in question) are different.

The walls are already joined and wall edits were made in plan view (in this case 2nd floor). The 2nd Floor RCP does not display like the floor plan does. My question is why would I have to edit the wall joins of two walls twice (or for every instance of the plan)?

Because of the various walls intersecting nearby (cavity) the "edit wall joins" tool doesn't seem to be able to select the right join, or combination- telling me there are over 50 possible joins.

any other thoughts about the main question related to plan and RCP?

[mmiles]

WTF!
Wall joins are awful! this corner condition across levels is driving me crazy!!

It seems like everytime something gets modified elsewhere in the project, the wall(s) I am referring to keep changing. There seems to be no sense to it either. One moment it looks correct, and the next, it looks like someone chopped a corner off. Clearly, it is related to other objects (floors and roofs, and other walls) but it is not clear how any relationships affect the wall joins. Am I missing something? This type of problem (wall joins) is possibly one of the biggest reasons non-revit users don't want to use the program

I nearly lost use of the program in our office because of this type of behaviour, but I cleared that hurdle. Yet, three years later...and still no real changes that I can see in this regard. Does anyone have something to say? Prove me wrong, or point me in the right direction? Anything?
(feel my pain on this one) arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggh!

thanks (part rant; plea for help).

[cdatechguy]

If the walls continue to the next floor and the intersection is different above then you will have this issue. That is why I like to keep all walls based on levels and not continue walls to the next. I would rather use the join feature to make this work, but I can still use the wall joints tool based on the level I am on.

[mmiles]

the walls base are on a level one and they travel up through the level two up to a level called top of plate. There are 4 corner joins on each level. one day the four joins on level one look correct -as in how I want them to appear in all views, without edit cut profiles. And, the four on level two look good, too. The next day, those on level two no longer join like the ones on the first floor, so I try to use the edit wall joins tools to correct it and nothing happens- either too many options, or only the one i have which is incorrect. So, then comes the joining, unjoining, edit cut profiles blah blah blah....no all is messed up and I don't know which way is up. CDS due three weeks ago...so remodeling is not really an option for me - yet I don't want to have to modify my plans and elevations to cover up this mess.

How do I make the joins the same? I thought I should only have to trim, or join once- on whatever level to make it the same at all levels.

[cliff collins]

Suggestions:

1. Try constraining the walls to only one level--i.e. do not extend a single wall
thru multiple levels. (try splitting them vertically in a section....)

2. Make sure the walls' all have the same "finish face" settings i.e. center,exterior, interior
etc. and that their "core boundaries" are setup properly--i.e. with finishes and structure
from the outside in, to the cores at interior of walls. Check these by highlighting the wall,
"wall properties", "edit structure."

hope this helps--we have run into these same issues and found these items to help
edit joins correctly.

cheers.....