WIP

[SkiSouth]

Work in progress - got to take it "down" in realism - more of a drawn look.... :roll:

[Dimitri Harvalias]

Nice job Skisouth!

Are you being forced to make the existing trees, streetscape and buildings look more hand drawn as well?;-)

[SkiSouth]

Nice job Skisouth!

Are you being forced to make the existing trees, streetscape and buildings look more hand drawn as well?;-)

Can't complain- its part of an overall package. When I presented different presentation techniques, they chose more of a line drawing look - They were quite surprised when I told them the realistic look came first, then the line drawings. Anyway, tried to export the dxf to Piranesi, but after waiting for over an hour for it to load in Velute, I decided it wouldn't be worth the effort. Maybe later.

Oh well, back to drawing real trees...... :-P

[Wanderer]

Work in progress - got to take it "down" in realism - more of a drawn look.... :roll:
very nice.

Check this one out, though, it's from the 1960's. The only reason I could even tell this was a rendering was because I knew this building had never been built. Unfortunately, there was no name on here, and I really wish I knew who the architect was.
Forest park is in the foreground, and the hospitals and medicals school span all 4 blocks from left to right.

[SkiSouth]

That's great. It would really be interesting to find out if this is a drawing on a black and white photo, or merged drawing and photograph or all drawing.... and what the process was to get this look.

[Wanderer]

That's great. It would really be interesting to find out if this is a drawing on a black and white photo, or merged drawing and photograph or all drawing.... and what the process was to get this look.
I'm pretty curious about that, too. I wonder if there are any old heads around here who've done this kind of thing and could clue us in.

[bclarch]

My guess is that they created a composite photo from the site photo and a photo of the rendering. Probably some airbrush touch up as well.

[MartyC]

Skisouth,

Aside from the preference for a drawn look, that rendering is damn sharp!

Good work.

CheersM

[SkiSouth]

Thanks for the positive feed back. Attached is a small version of the suggested "to be built" sketch vs. the " final product"... :smile: Also, another look and preliminary study for a look at the structure shown from an adjacent neighborhood. These are all Revit files, these two are heavily "Photoshoped". The original image of the building is 100% Revit. Photoshop was used to place the foreground/background around the model.. Been most pleased with Accurender on this project. Tried to load into 3dsMax 6 to study, took WAY to long to load. I guess as the storefront generates so many objects, for 3ds to consider it was killing the performance....

[sfaust]

I'm quite impressed. Both with the original and the photoshops. NICE WORK!

[Martin P]

These are superb, the photo montage is very realistic and the photoshop sketch look is fantastic, how did you do the diagonal brush stoke effect, was it added by "hand"? I dont feel I have any right to comment (I will anyway ;))but I might just have been tempted to take out the telegraph pole in photoshop, its adds to the realism but it might focus more on the building without it?

[SkiSouth]

Yeeah, Yeaahhh, everybody's a critic...... :) , Thanks for the comments Martin...If you look really close, overhead lines are EVERYWHERE, I hope the client picks up on the fact they've got to deal with this. I'm suppose to add a connecting bridge between the buildings now... The pole you discuss holds a high voltage line (13,800 kva) soooo, as that line is where the bridge is, I'll probably have to address it...... All the filters and brushes used are stock Photoshop 7. The brush strokes were laid in by me using the "grass" brush...But if I take the lines out, where will the birds sit?

[beegee]

Veeery impressive work Ski. You certainly know how to make Photoshop sing for you.

[SkiSouth]

Thanks Beegee. Just trying to get to that "look" without having to reinvent the wheel. The fact that you wind up with a pretty good rendering without hardly any work, then a few tweaks to make it really start up nicely really makes me think twice about my 3dsmax Service contract. I've tried the Piranesi route, but reinventing the wheel is not my favorite task (You know assign all new materials, deal with curved surfaces etc...) Also, these bldgs are actually one model mirrored in a new project. The new project is only right at 4 megs. The actual building model is 10 megs. Tried to export the single bldg to velute to try Piranesi and couldn't get it to load. Max had the same issues. Also, I already had Photoshop, it only makes sense that with what Piranesi was doing something as strong as Photoshop should be able to get close. Anyway, got a few more images to try to work out. (Lots of accessories to add still :neutral: )If they turn out decent I'll post them, just to keep all informed on this alternative approach to rendering with Revit.

[beegee]

Interesting observations.

Certainly looking at the work you and others are doing using the "in-house" Accurender and good Photoshop skills, there is a viable alternative to the Viz / Max / "name your flavour" add-ons to get really professional looking renderings.

[SkiSouth]

to get really professional looking renderings.


Still trying to get there, sitll trying to get there.......For those who care - this didn't happen over night. About two weeks modeling ( design concept, building, parking garage) and about another week rendering and tweaking the model for the first image. Three more days building the neighborhood concept model, and working on the presentation methodologies. So far about three weeks on one rendering, (allbeit TWO renderings ) and one study. It does take time. Need about another week to wrap this up, but don't have it. We'll see what happens for the next couple of days...

That being said, having used Autocad since 1983 and Max since 1993, I couldn't have touched designing the building, and then rendering this without Revit in this time frame. Revit definitely has helped me make money....

[PeterJ]

This is really first class work.

Bizarrely, the effects you get with the shopped images are probably more comfortable for many clients, who sometimes seem unhappy with the sharpness one can achieve with a high-end rendering. That seems to have been the feedback you were getting, Ski, and this rather undoes the discussions about true photo-realism. I wonder if the fact that there are such divergent needs means that the possibiliy of the Viz rendering engine making it's way into Revit is an unnecessary discussion and that what people ought to be focussing on is a better export tool/import tool.

[Paul P.]

Ski, I'm really impressed with the images and totally agree with Pete about it sitting better with clients. Is it possible you could put together a quick how to sheet on how you achieved this in pshop for those of us who are none pshop savvy. If its not to much trouble.

Regards, Paul.

[Nic M.]

Well there goes my comment on ugly renderings.
Realy great renderings and presentation.

Keep e'm comming.

[SkiSouth]

Ski, I'm really impressed with the images and totally agree with Pete about it sitting better with clients. Is it possible you could put together a quick how to sheet on how you achieved this in pshop for those of us who are none pshop savvy. If its not to much trouble.

Regards, Paul.


To be honest I can reproduce the first portion of the rendering steps straight away, but the tweaking and blend steps on the end are still quite confusing. ( I did what next????) Even with history turned on, I'm finding that each image requires a different approach to finish. let me play a little more to see if there are logical steps to take and then I'll PROBABLY share - as I doubt I'll be working in England anytime soon - you know with England being so logical and all - I can only work in confusion...:razz:

[Paul P.]

Cheers Ski, I'll be waiting in logical anticipation. :)

[SkiSouth]

Two more studies - a sketchy one and one more "watery" Comments, pros and cons will be very welcome. I personally feel that the darks are too washed out in these. Will have to work on that.... :smile:

[Steve_Stafford]

...fact that there are such divergent needs means that the possibiliy of the Viz rendering engine making it's way into Revit is an unnecessary discussion and that what people ought to be focussing on is a better export tool/import tool... my lonely opinion all along...till now...

[SkiSouth]

my lonely opinion all along...till now...

Don't ya just hate being right???? :)

[Scott Davis]

Don't ya just hate being right???? :)
I'm with ya Steve!

[adegnan]

Well I'd love to be able to do any of these! I tend to agree, the "sketchy" feeling really captures a "feel good" emotion for these projects and that is what the clients can relate to. I don't even own photoshop but I guess I better invest at some point if I want to begin trying to achieve this stuff myself!

[sbrown]

If you are on a low budget get paint shop pro from JASC its about $99.00 and can do most of what photoshop can do, you can even use photoshop filters.

[SkiSouth]

If you are on a low budget get paint shop pro from JASC its about $99.00 and can do most of what photoshop can do, you can even use photoshop filters.

Thats a great price. Will have to look at that software.

[Roger Evans]

Very impressive work here & in other threads Skisouth

As regards paint programs I still use MGI Photosuite (came bundled with my first pc)
I like it because it really just consists of button pushing ~ very simple program & you can get some nice effects with very little effort

I show your example processed a bit with oil paint & then sharpened up ~ not as good as PShop but a lot less involved.

[SkiSouth]

I show your example processed a bit with oil paint & then sharpened up ~ not as good as PShop but a lot less involved.

I like it. Love to see what others do with the ideas presented. I used to use Painter 3.0, then I think corel bought it and it really got screwed, (probably really better I just got an attitude about having to re-learn stuff.. :screwy: )

I remember it had neat presettings like VanGogh and Degas etc. what other setttings does your software allow? I Might have to dig the Painter program out and try it too. You can blend some REALLY interesting images when you throw in some of the stuff the paint programs can do with tablets (Pshop doesn't do "paint" that well"...)

This thread really needs to continue under rendering though....

[nole]

Hi Ski (and others too :) )!
Last version on Painter is IX.5 and it is great. It deserves Your attention and time spent on relearning.
Here is a 10-minute work with it's autopaint tool.

[nole]

... and if You add some paper texture it looks like this (another 2 min).

[nole]

But if You have some time, then You can do this (add another 10 min, 8 min to find appropriate brush and 2 min to do the work). :lol: