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    Default Demo/Viewer mode vs EULA

    I was re-reading the EULA for Revit 2010 last night, and all was looking pretty standard until clause 2.2.6 Evaluation Version. It states:
    2.2.6 Evaluation Version. If Autodesk identifies the Software as a demonstration, evaluation, trial, “not for sale” (“NFS”) or “not for resale” (“NFR”) version (“Evaluation Version”) in the applicable User Documentation, You may Install and Access one copy of the Software only for the purpose of evaluation and demonstration. Without limiting the foregoing, You may not use it for competitive analysis, or commercial, professional, or other for-profit purposes. The Evaluation Version may only be Installed for a thirty (30) day evaluation period, unless otherwise specified by Autodesk in writing. Additionally, functional limitations apply, as set forth in Section 6 (Warnings).
    The part that caught my eye is highlighted in bold.

    Now, the Revit 2010 "Product and License Information" states:
    Demo mode allows all features of Revit, but you cannot save, plot or export your project after changes are made. Demo mode serves as a no-cost viewer for yourself or team members who need to view, plot, and export projects without changing them.
    Once again I have highlighted the important part.

    Does this seem like a little bit of a contradiction? How are you able to install and run it in Demo/Viewer mode on your own or team members PCs if it can't be used for for-profit purposes?


    Furthermore, clause 2.2.6 is indicating that the "Evaluation Version" can only be installed for a 30 day period. Revit has two non-networked modes it can be run in.

    One mode is "Standalone-Locked", in which it mentions the 30 day trial, which as described above is classed as the "Evaluation Version".

    The other mode is Demo/Viewer, so could this be read as not being covered by "Evaluation Version", and as such isn't covered by clause 2.2.6 of the EULA, therefore allowing team members to run Revit legally in a for-profit environment? Does this mean you can run it in Demo/Viewer mode for the purpose of giving Demonstrations, as this mode suggests you can do?


    I am awaiting clarification from Autodesk on this, but what are your thoughts?

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    Default Re: Demo/Viewer mode vs EULA

    I think the difference is in the "version" of the software versus "mode". But Hey, I'm no laywer! I don't even play one on TV.

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    Default Re: Demo/Viewer mode vs EULA

    NFR or NFS copies of Revit are copies that we use as give-aways at some events. They are fully functional. Demo mode is different than having an evaluation NFR version of the software.

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    Default Re: Demo/Viewer mode vs EULA

    While I don't use other Autodesk software anymore, from my experience Revit is the only product which I have come across that has this Demo/Viewer mode, and it's this difference which isn't clear.
    By running it in this mode, you are no longer "evaluating" it, but rather using it in a business related situation. If you are using it for business then I can't see that it is covered by clause 2.2.6. This is what I am trying to get clarified with Autodesk.

    If Autodesk says that it's use is fine, then great. If Autodesk says no, then that's fine too. I just want to make sure that I and the business I work for are doing the right thing. We've all read the horror stories in the past about Autodesk when it comes to licensing matters, I just don't want to be another case.

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    Default Re: Demo/Viewer mode vs EULA

    Are you or someone you know like a client using Revit in Demo/Viewer mode in a business environment?

    If the answer is yes, then according to the initial answer from Autodesk Business Services, then you or the someone you know are software pirates.

    I got a 1 liner reply which states;
    The download from our website is clearly for trial purpose only, and therefore it falls within the prohibitionin 2.2.6 of our EULA and cannot be used for commercial or other for-profitpurpose.
    Clearly this person hasn't even bothered to check out Revit, since it still doesn't quite answer my question about the part which says "...serves as a no-cost viewer for yourself or team members".
    I have gone back to clarify this a bit more with them to get an answer, hopefully from someone who has a clue.

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    Default Re: Demo/Viewer mode vs EULA

    Maybe the next version of Sketchup will open an RVT file and we won't need Revit as a viewer

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    Default Re: Demo/Viewer mode vs EULA

    It would be nice if there was an actual Revit Viewer so that our office manager could open projects and print sheets instead of always asking me to do it. I'm not sure if her machine could handle the full-blown version of the program.

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    Default Re: Demo/Viewer mode vs EULA

    Quote Originally Posted by patricks View Post
    It would be nice if there was an actual Revit Viewer so that our office manager could open projects and print sheets instead of always asking me to do it. I'm not sure if her machine could handle the full-blown version of the program.
    Yes - it would be nice if there were a neutered version of the program called Revit Boss. It would have the project browser displaying only sheets and views. No ribbons to draw anything. A selector tool. Filter. Read only properties panels. Measure tool. And a way big can't miss it "Print This" button.

    With the way they turn off features between Struct. MEP and Arch - it shouldn't be too tough to code.

    Instead of Use2009UI=1, it would be RevitBoss=NO

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    I think that is exactly what Design Review is for. Free Revit Viewer.

    We use it in-house, and our clients are using it.

    3D DWFX for viewing/spinning/cutting/slicing the model.

    2D DWFX for digital markup of views and sheets.

    Works great once everyone gets on board. ( that's the challenge!)

    cheers..........

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    Default Re: Demo/Viewer mode vs EULA

    Quote Originally Posted by cliff collins View Post
    I think that is exactly what Design Review is for. Free Revit Viewer.

    We use it in-house, and our clients are using it.

    3D DWFX for viewing/spinning/cutting/slicing the model.

    2D DWFX for digital markup of views and sheets.

    Works great once everyone gets on board. ( that's the challenge!)

    cheers..........
    The point is not to have to go to DWF, but to use the current *.rvt for review and printing. Going to DWF means, stopping production > DWF for each and every change.

    And as you note - DWF isn't easy when communicating with a diverse client base.

    I wonder what will happen to DWFX given the recent ruling against MS and XML over i4i's patent... I'm guessing that could eventually apply to ADSK as well if they are sharing this technology.

    http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/20...-lawsuit_N.htm
    Last edited by aaronrumple; 2009-08-19 at 03:59 PM.

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