Noun/verb help

[jmctamney]

I'm going crazy trying to figure this out. I've recently started a new job and we are using ADT2005 (I know right?) anyway, as long as I've been using ACAD (r12) you've been able to select an object (activate grips) and then execute your command. Now, It's been a while since I've used 2005 but, as far back as I can remember, it's always been highlight object, enter command, enter/spacebar. For some reason I have to hit enter/space twice to get it to execute the comman on the highlighted object. This just doesn't seem right. I've checked all the obvious culprits (noun/verb, pickfirst, pickadd, etc) and all seems to be in order. Did something change between now and then and it's just been so long that I don't remember how it used to work? Help please.

I will note that there is some heavy customization going on that I'm not privy to so I can't say whether or not there is something going on "behind the scenes" but you never know.

TIA

[LanceMcHatton]

For years and years it was verb/noun if I remember correctly. It was about 2005 that they started giving users the option to select the object first. As with any fundamental change in the software, there was much resistance from the But-This-Is-How-I've-Always-Done-It people. The change went largely ignored by veterans but was used immediately by most newbies. I admit it took me about 4 years to finally cave. Although, there is definitely one major issue I have with noun/verb and that's accidentally erasing objects.

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if some stubborn old-timer did something so no one could use noun/verb. There may be something in a start-up lisp like acad.lsp or something similar that changes a variable every time a drawing is open. There may even be some sort of reactor variable messing with you but that's beyond my lisp capabilities.

If you can't find the solution, you may just have to go old school for a while at least until you find that better job. Personally, I'm using AutoCAD LT 2009 on a computer with the same birthdate as my 3rd grader so I feel your pain. Maybe someday we'll get that great job back again. But, by that time, we may be forced to use value/noun/verb selection and finding some way to avoid it.

Good luck!

[jmctamney]

Well, I've narrowed it down a bit. It only exhibits this behavior when I use the command aliases. If I type the command, it works like it should. Maybe this is a bug in ADT 2k5 or maybe the two keys here are actually lisps instead of the command alias from the .pgp file. or, maybe it is some beck door programing to keep everyone on the straight and narrow. Hmmmmmmm....

[LanceMcHatton]

That makes more sense. If they are only associated with the aliases, then they are probably using lisps to control your input. And, as far as I know, lisps always need verb/noun input.

[jaberwok]

That makes more sense. If they are only associated with the aliases, then they are probably using lisps to control your input. And, as far as I know, lisps always need verb/noun input.

Lisps can be written to simulate noun/verb but it needs to be deliberate.

[jmctamney]

Well, I have another clue. Its a system variable stored in a drawing. I opened a session of acad with the default "drawing 1.dwg" using the default template and everything works as it should with relation to noun/verb selection but I go to any drawing that has been created using a type specific template I have to hit enter twice after selecting the objects before the command will execute. Next step is to print out the system variables from each drawing and see which ones are different as the obvious ones all match.

I'll get to the bottom of this eventually.

[jaberwok]

If that's the case, to fix future files (but not existing ones ), save your dodgy template as a temporary dwg file. Start a new drawing from the default template, insert the temporary dwg file and save as another temporary file. Test this file and make the changes you need and save again as a template (dwt) file.

[jmctamney]

I'm afraid I'm hosed. I don't have that much freedom with the CAd system. I spent the morning pouring over system variables trying to find any differences and found none of any relevance. I did however find out that our menu's load when you open a drawing (wierd) and I also noticed that before it even does that, it loads all new command definitions for edit commands, draw commands and setting commands so it seems my hands are tied. I'll just have to go through the proper channels to see if I can have something done about it as I'm sure a lot of these "redifined" commands are held over from much older releases of autocad.

Thanks for the help.