FireTape?

[dbaldacchino]

Dave, as stated in my post above, this method works for scales up to 1/8" but fails thereafter, especially for short wall segments. And it doesn't really work for curved walls. Of course where it fails is highly dependent on the length of the pattern repetition.

[jhendershot]

completely agree. i am digging the tag approach.

the curved detail component ratings are such a pain to use and actually get in the way as they have hidden lines you can select that point to the center of the arc which makes them very cumbersome and take way to long to place (there are 5 nested families in mine which could account for some of the time). our office has no choice but to use the line types like i stated before because of certain state agencies requirements so we are stuck with them until something easier/better comes along.

we have different wall types for each wall variation, not stud size however as those are subtypes, yes even if they are virtually identical, as it just makes it easier for the user knowing that if they pick the A1 or whatever they know the A wall type is always 1hr rated. this provides consistency across all our offices and makes it easier for our quality control people as well to view multiple projects with the same criteria.

i would love to get rid of the detail components all together and be able to embed into the wall. system families in general need to have more flexibility out of the box, but i digress.

j.

[BIM Branch]

Dave,

I just saw your post. I am going to try it in the morning at my office with curved walls with the way I have it setup. I understand what you are saying - I just have not encountered any issues with they way we have it setup.

[CADMama]

I am tired of fire tape patches frankly.

Embedded hatch patterns - not all the same width for the fire "tape" because they are based on the width of the material where the pattern is placed.

Detail lines - 1 -not a clean look with the rounded corners and therefore rejected by the upper level management 2 - plus it is double the work by having to do linework over the walls and align and lock - 3 view restrictions - have to be copied to every view you want it in

Rail - 1 - double the work by having to do rails over the walls and align and loc 2 - cannot be used in legends so double the work to recreate fill regions to represent the patterns so therefore there is not real connection to what the pattern represents

Tags - cannot show up in legends so double the work to recreate fill regions to represent the patterns so therefore there is not real connection to what the pattern represents

How is that for the devil's advocate? Did I miss any "workarounds" here?

Right now I am doing double duty to redraw the patterns that are represented by the Rail option so I can have a legend to use around the project.

[geistwolke]

This tool looks very promising. One thing we have an issue with on both detail components and patterns is that we have to show LSP fire tape at differing scales and neither adjust well based on view scale. Is that addressed with this tool? I really like how it can quickly be applied to a view. Patterns for us are automatic though which is nice.

I notice in several forums Formology is talking about really neat tools like this and graphic column schedules but I cannot find any information on them.

[bwesche895322]

Great thread and thanks for sharing your families! I find the lack of ability to do this disturbing as practically every project includes this process.

Anyway, the issues I've been having is printing. When you use families like these, and print with vector processing. It looses the opaque fill behind text. See picture.

Does anyone know a way around this other than adding masking region to the nested family?

Fire_Rating_Warehouse_2012.png

[Chuckyd67]

I don't know what you mean by "fire tape". Is it like "crime scene tape"?

I have developed a fire rated pattern for use in rated walls, which will be ON all the time, in all views. See the sample. The patterns are copied from patterns I made for ACA 2008. The benefit of using wall patterns is that the pattern does not obliterate wall openings. If this is desirable I can upload the *.pat files.

[CADMama]

So were there more than four workarounds discussed here?
It appears to be a personal preference as to what gets used. My boss has one preference and I have another.




He won!

[Wanderer]

So were there more than four workarounds discussed here?
It appears to be a personal preference as to what gets used. My boss has one preference and I have another.




He won!

Funny how that works, isn't it?

I haven't developed a preference yet myself... it would be nice if I didn't have to.

[CADMama]

Hurry up and develop one before your boss finds out you don't have one or that he/she has options.