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    Will check it out. Kinda covered up right now.

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    THIS IS GREAT.. THANKS SKI

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    Quote Originally Posted by alvin.78712
    THIS IS GREAT.. THANKS SKI
    No problem. You are quite welcome.

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    Hello Revit Users,

    I am setting up the office on the CONDOC type keynotes. I have a few critical questions to the whole operation:

    What is the GROUPS function of the shared parameter file, and where does the shared parameter file need to live? (server vs. local machine) Is this how some folks broke the notes' catalog in 16 divisions?

    Anyone using Master Format 2004? Any tips regarding how the fourth set of numbers in the new number format as it relates to specific product call outs would be much appreciated. Do we include these numbers in the CONDOC?

    What is the best way to link a data base to the CONDOC.txt file? The chiefs want a dbase driven keynote.

    Several questions, pardon the barrage. But, I have been trying to get the office to use this great type catalog driven feature and I need a little help from the experts out there.

    Thank you very much!

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    Keynotes is an area Revit really needs to improve.

    I've set up ours which is more or less based on condoc and am tasked with the job of making it condoc masterformat 2004 compatible.

    Just using generic annotations isn't a perfect long term solution. The factory is going to need to add more to the system. It will need to:

    Allow of importing a database (Excel).
    Export to a database.
    Link to a database.
    Allow for simple and condoc type notes.
    Allow for quick searching/filtering of a list for keywords. Right now scrolling through the long list of families is time consuming.
    Needs to be organized in a hierarchy.
    Needs to be aware of view/sheet relationship.
    Needs to tie into into information embedded in families (tags) as well allow stand alone notes (annotation.)

    I'm going to try and look at the API to see if I can get something that works a little better than what we have now...

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    Aaron,
    Thank you for listing the exact requirements so concisely.
    The keynote's Sheet Awareness is the Holy Grail around here.

    What do we need to ask The Factory?
    Isn't this a pressing issue already?
    Can we assist in getting this pulled together?

    I need to get us up and running in MasterFormat 2004 immeadiately. Is anyone currently using this spec? Any tips are very much appreaciated.

    Thanks again Aaron, for a perfect summary on the keynotes issue.

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    Need to add control of leaders (arrow head, followed by leader line, with text justified by leader direction) to Aaron's list. The API isn't what I want. One reason I left Acad was having to program all the time in lisp versus drawing....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skisouth
    The API isn't what I want. One reason I left Acad was having to program all the time in lisp versus drawing....
    Exactly and it is still a kludge.. I just need to get something better very very soon.

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    I am reading this thread with interest and trying tosort things out since Revit is VERY new to me, and we are figuring out implementation in our office.

    All our office project have keynotes/Condocs. We have a home built routine in ADT which allows you to select a note from the list (each project has its own list due to variety of projects in office) and then place it with a simple QLEADER with the NUMBER only at the end. It manages a text file and adds notes to it that the user either manually enters in the dialog or copying from one bidpack to another. IT only shows the list of notes applicable to the sleected bidpack or click on the full list to show the full list.

    I am trying to find ways to implement this in Revit. We just switched to MAsterformat 04. We just decided to use the ##-####-@### format.
    I just reprogrammed our routines in ADT to work with this new format. The biggest hurdle to revit is being that not able to easily add keynotes. In Autocad The notes are not anything SMART or linked to objects, they are basic MTEXT objects. Now once the DEtail has been noted, WE run another routine that generates the legend for EACH sheet. i.e. it looks at the sheet and select the notes in it, and only put the numbers/description there for the ones present on that sheet. The biggest difference we have from other users out there, that the Alpha character is very critical to us. It represents BIDPACK. what bidpack a certain material is being put in. Since we work on very large multiphased projects , this is our lifeline to keep things straight.
    here is a description:


    The nomenclature of a typical Condoc Keynote is as follows:
    e.g.: 09-2200-A003 3-5/8" METAL STUD
    The first 6 digits, refer to a Section of the Specifications.
    The following alpha character refers to the specific Bid Pack,
    i.e., in this example, Drawing Release "A". The suffix "003" is
    the specific indicator for a particular item, material, etc.
    Therefore, the suffix "003" would denote the same item in Section 09-2200,
    wherever indicated, regardless of referenced Bid Pack.

    Various Condoc Keynotes occur on each sheet on which those specific
    notes are applicable. Where notes are missing from a specific drawing,
    refer to the Master List of Condoc Keynotes; All Condoc Keynotes applicable
    to the project are listed on the Master List.



    The list that is generated on the sheet is broken up by bidpacks and divisions
    here is an example from an older format system, the idea is the same



    BID PACKAGE # B
    03300 CAST-IN-PLACE CONCRETE
    03300B-005 CONCRETE FOUNDATION WALL. SEE STRUCTURAL DRAWINGS.

    04200 UNIT MASONRY
    04200B-012 FILL VOID SOLID WITH GROUT.
    04200B-021 6" SOLID CONCRETE MASONRY UNITS.

    BID PACKAGE # C
    03300 CAST-IN-PLACE CONCRETE
    03300C-002 DOVETAIL SLOT.
    03300C-005 CONCRETE FOUNDATION WALL. SEE STRUCTURAL DRAWINGS.

    04100 MORTAR & MASONRY ACCESSORIES
    04100C-001 COMPRESSIBLE FILLER.
    04100C-002 WALL ANCHORS/MASONRY TIES. SEAL WHERE
    ANCHORS PENETRATE FLASHING.


    I am trying to find some info and see if the API can allow me to build something similar in REvit. The original code is in LISP so I need to rewrite everything in VB.

    In anycase I wanted to throw this out what I want, just in case someone from Adesk is reading this thread. WE could easily do our details in Acad n stuff but this negates the purpose of switching to Revit.
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    Man, I haven't seen a black background in 3 years!!! . And Welcome to AUGI.

    Congratulations on changing to Revit. Smart move. Now to your problem. Going API to me defeats the idea behind Revit. -Kinda like making Lisp do what Autocad should have from the beginning.- Got three projects with various things due tomorrow so, can't think straight right now. Maybe someone else can point you in the right direction, but I will get back to you with some ideas (hopefully.) It will take a fairly disciplined approach in Revit (versus your anyone can add anything approach), so I don't anticipate an easy or expedient answer.
    Last edited by SkiSouth; 2005-11-02 at 08:35 PM.

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