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    Default Re: Notes: numbering a single paragraph

    Written language isn't the same as technical language.
    For my point of view and others around me call it number it.

    Reasoning behind it, if your on the telephone/V.C. with the contractor how much easier is it to say "in note one" rather than the alternative "in the note" (which could mean any note on the drawing).
    In the days of hand drafting would you want to erase the note to rewrite it with a 1. at the front because note 2 was added at Rev B. Days gone by, but a lot of what we do now was set back in the days of the goose feather pen.
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    Default Re: Notes: numbering a single paragraph

    Quote Originally Posted by Statler View Post
    Written language isn't the same as technical language.
    I happen to know Cadtag outside of the forums and was simply, I believe your generation called it, 'joshing him'... Don't read too much into it.
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    Default Re: Notes: numbering a single paragraph

    Quote Originally Posted by RenderMan View Post
    It appears that you fail to meet the criteria of your own test, as your expression tests a string typed value, and not a 'list of only on item' as it were.

    Code:
    _$ (listp '("In fact, this is a list... Of only 1 item"))
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    That's sorta my point. A single item of text is just a string, not a list. While it's possible to construct a single item list out of a string (especially in LISP) it's an extra wrapper around the string. In this case it's three characters to make a list out of it. In simply writing a note, it's at least three characters - 1)<tab>, and possibley messing with the indentsto make it appear consistent with the rest of the drawing.

    Adding a number in front of a paragraph suggests that there's more to come, and not having more feels unfinished/incomplete IMHO.

    And, while often notes, especially General Notes, resemble outlines with nested bullets, it's not always the case that every paragraph is a separate item. Sometimes paragraphs just make a single item easier to read.

    One can write:
    NOTE:
    1) This is a note.

    Or one can write:
    Note:
    This is a note.

    Both work - i think the latter makes more sense.

    What doesn't work is either of the following constructs:

    NOTE:
    1) this is the first item.
    2) this is the second item, but it's borked by using a singular for the label, but plural items.

    or
    NOTES:
    1) Theres' only one item, but the label indicates plural items should be expected.

    Now, if it's later decided that additional items belong under the Note: label, unlike the bad old days of ruling pens and linen, we don't have to erase it all and restart - we can just fire up MText, change NOTE: to NOTES: and turn on numbering to go merrily on our way writing a dissertation that probably realluy belongs in the specs anyway.

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    Default Re: Notes: numbering a single paragraph

    Quote Originally Posted by cadtag View Post
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    Both work - i think the latter makes more sense.
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    This is my thinking as well. But I like to keep my project managers happy. I'd really like it if there was some standard book to refer back to. They like their official standards, as well.
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    Default Re: Notes: numbering a single paragraph

    Quote Originally Posted by cadtag View Post
    Now, if it's later decided that additional items belong under the Note: label, unlike the bad old days of ruling pens and linen, we don't have to erase it all and restart - we can just fire up MText, change NOTE: to NOTES: and turn on numbering to go merrily on our way writing a dissertation that probably realluy belongs in the specs anyway.
    Things have changed but so much of what we do has been set by the past. Typing initials into the checked and approved boxes for instance, pointless and has no legal standing but is a requirement for most clients to accept a .pdf copy of the drawing.

    How many companies have the word Notes:- embedded at the top of their title blocks? Just about every company I've worked for.

    The fact that most notes do belong in the specification or written contract documentation is a deffinate. If you have to do more typing that drawing the engineer/s need to rethink whats being issued and for what purpose the drawing is being issued.

    I am lightened that things like this are discussed often in these forums. It means there are a lot of people out there who do care about the work they produce.
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    Default Re: Notes: numbering a single paragraph

    Quote Originally Posted by Statler View Post
    Things have changed but so much of what we do has been set by the past. Typing initials into the checked and approved boxes for instance, pointless and has no legal standing but is a requirement for most clients to accept a .pdf copy of the drawing.

    How many companies have the word Notes:- embedded at the top of their title blocks? Just about every company I've worked for.

    The fact that most notes do belong in the specification or written contract documentation is a deffinate. If you have to do more typing that drawing the engineer/s need to rethink whats being issued and for what purpose the drawing is being issued.

    I am lightened that things like this are discussed often in these forums. It means there are a lot of people out there who do care about the work they produce.
    In manufacturing you DO want the notes on the drawing; you want to know everything necessary to manufacture a part.
    So, naturally, many companies put in notes that effectively say "refer to contract".
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