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    Default Layer naming and use standards

    Most CAD managers will agree that layer naming and use is perhaps THE most important but least well dealt with issue in CAD management. The following notes relate to a well-researched and thoroughly tested system that is sophisticated enough to cope with composite models that include multiple drawing types (general arrangement plan, electrical plan etc.) and multiple levels (level 01, level 02 etc.) all in the one coincident model and yet simple enough to suit the most basic of drawings. Although designed for architects it is readily adaptable to any profession and in fact makes provision for the combining of drawings from different professions.
    ACADlayer is such a standard integrated into a much more extensive Autocad proprietary, third-party, custom tool set, ACADUI, consisting of ACADkeys, ACADlayers and ACADtools but the naming concepts are free to be used by anyone. The layer names produced by ACADlayers are compliant with yet simpler and more logical than would be generated by following ISO/DIS 13567.

    ISO/DIS 13567 rules:
    • It is intended to provide a universally applicable conceptual structure.
    • Layer names are constructed of several fields, some of which are mandatory and others optional.
    • Fields are designed to be exclusive, that is, only one type of data per field.
    • The structure is to allow migration of data from pre-existing layer name systems.
    • Overly complex structures are to be avoided. Syntax and data coding should be designed for easy interpretation and manipulation.
    • The Standard defines: the concepts to be coded in each of the fields, the order of the fields, the field lengths and sometimes coding.
    • The Standard allows for variation on a project by project basis provided the procedures used are documented in a way that allows future retrieval of the layer information.
    • It is emphasized that the ISO default is a starting point for defining national or project standards and is provided as a neutral standard for archiving or data exchange.
    • Provided that the Mandatory fields required by the Standard are always used, conceptual conformance permits Optional fields to be used in any order and length, though the conceptual content of each field can not vary from the definitions in ISO/DIS 13567.
    • If a project layer system varies from the ISO default, documentation must be provided for the project specific system identifying and describing all valid values of all non-default fields.

    ACADlayers concepts are best illustrated in the following dialogue-box:

    PLEASE VIEW THE ATTACHED FILE - CADlayers.JPG

    Layers are automatically generated by picking values from the seven fields, beginning from the left, to generate twelve-character-long names that automatically comply with naming rules and are automatically generated with the correct colour and linetype. The values in the fields can be customised to any discipline and the columns scroll to accommodate as many values as required. If a desired value is not found then by clicking on “other”; custom values can be inserted.
    Looks too complicated? Perhaps; but this is an all-encompassing scheme for single-composite-models. If you have a simple single concept model then you can optionally use a five character naming system using just “object”, “pen” and “colour” or just not use the automated system at all. But whatever you do you should set some layer standards and stick to them. As one previous post under CAD management implies; there are three important things for CAD standards, they are: LAYERS, LAYERS and LAYERS.

    CADlayers optionally allows the use of five-character names generated from the first three fields but you would not use the dialogue box for this. Also if you don’t like dialogue boxes then you can do what I by preference do, that is; do it all through keyboard. Five-character names are a breeze to create and manage but custom commands are required to provide efficient layer filtering for the twelve-character-names for viewing and plotting.

    I believe that the lack of availability of such a program within Autocad has done much to limit the practical application of ISO/DIS 13567. If you are interested in further pursuing this topic, tell me what you think and I can provide more detail. If you think that it would be worth separating ACADlayers from ACADUI and making it available publicly let me know? There is no copyright restraint on using these recommendations.

    PS: Can anyone tell me how to place an illustration within the text?
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    Default Re: Layer naming and use standards

    I'm a bit confused -- are you advertising a product for sale, suggesting an ISO standard, or What?

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    Default Re: Layer naming and use standards

    I seem to recall having a somewhat similar conversation with Peter Jamtgaard a few years ago at AU.
    You might want to search the programming forums to see if he's posted anything related...
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    Default Re: Layer naming and use standards

    Sorry for the late reply, but basically see Cadtag's post.

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    You're confused!! That's just a polite way of saying I talk too much and fail to get to the point. I'm not suggesting an ISO standard - I'm actually recommending it. Many CAD users haven't even heard of it let alone use it. The point of my post was to advocate the use of ISO/DIS 13567 and to show at least one way of making practical sense of it.
    I used an example from a layer management program that I wrote for myself - a method that I have used for twenty years very successfully (for architects at least).
    It incorporates standards for layer naming, line weights and colour/line relationships and methods of filtering layers for viewing and plotting. On the other hand layer names can be very short (five characters) for simple drawings yet still following ISO/DIS. I am now retired and don't want to waste all that thinking.
    With a bit of time and effort I could separate it from its host program. That's if anyone is interested. Thanks for your response.

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    If it's an object-based standard, as seems to be indicated by the graphic, then I'm not going to be interested. My preference is a 'systems' based approach for layer naming. It lends itself better IMO to a broad spectrum of AEC work (No opinion about widget/mgfing needs)

    I've used both schemes, and object-based stuff just doesn't work all that well with civil, process, or mechanical. YMMV

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    I've referred to ISO13567 and used it, along with the AEC conventions in creating layer naming systems. It is nice that it is comprehensive in the object elements it covers, but it isn't the most immediately intuitive and as cadtag said, it isn't universally applicable. It is also a bit creeky these days, developed for when screen space was a premium and character limits were tight, hence all of the codes.

    Cheers for bringing it to our attention though.

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    Default Re: Layer naming and use standards

    CADtag thanks for your comments. Can you tell me a little about "SYSTEMS" based approach? This is entirely new to me. I would like to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colinawright View Post
    CADtag thanks for your comments. Can you tell me a little about "SYSTEMS" based approach? This is entirely new to me. I would like to understand.
    I work for an electrical contractor. We do a lot of CAD work for our electricians. Our work varies from small renovations to design-build contracts for major data centers and projects such as the Sears (Willis) Tower (yes, my company actually did that project when the building was originally built).

    When we look at it from a systems perspective, we look at different electrical systems. Lighting, Emergency Lighting, Power, Critical Power (more likely found in Hospitals), Mechanical Power, and Ground. We we work with low voltage systems, we often separate those by Tele/Data, Audio/Visual, Security, Fire Alarm. This is just a starting point for us. Different projects have different requirements. When we're doing Data Centers, it's really just what makes the most sense. I personally like to layer objects for the possibility of future visibility control, but I don't let it go overboard. For example, I may put all conduit FROM a particular piece of equipment on the same layer. Other times, I may be able to see a trend and place everything of common purpose on the same layer. For example, on a recent project we had run 13x feeders throughout the space. They all went to different panels, and came from different panels, but they were all feeders for Power Panels located in their own IDF Closets. It made sense for me that if I wanted to see one, I wanted to see them all ... not necessarily WHERE they came from.

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    Hi sbrennan
    Sorry for late response - been distracted.
    You certainly have a challenge deciding about layer separation. Could you provide a sample list of layer names to illustrate your philosophy? It seems that you use both a systems approach and a task based approach according to needs e.g. a diagram of a single lighting sub-system or a multi-system wiring diagram of a switchboard. Is this what you are indicating? I would like to understand what you are doing to see if my automated layer management could handle it.
    Do you work in 3D? If so is it true 3D or isometric or similar? If not how do you manage the vertical component?
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