Changing a Normal Wall to a Stacked wall... Disappears!!!

[aashley21]

When Changing a Normal Wall to a Stacked wall in a group my wall dissapears has this happened to anyone before? It seems to work sometimes but most of the time it doesn't. Just wondering if anybody else had this problem.

[patricks]

I haven't noticed the problem, but it looks like yet another reason to stay away from stacked walls. I will NEVER use them again until it gets some major improvements.

[tamas]

When Changing a Normal Wall to a Stacked wall in a group my wall dissapears has this happened to anyone before? It seems to work sometimes but most of the time it doesn't. Just wondering if anybody else had this problem.

I tried this in a simple case and it worked fine. Could you post your simplified file here, so we can take a quick look at it?

Thanks,

Tamas

PS: Patrick, you seem to have a major grudge against Stacked walls. You can always "unstack" them with the right-click "Break Up" command. So you can use them as a drawing tool if they dont work otherwise.

[aashley21]

Here is a portion of my file. If you try a group on the lowest floor, edit the group, select an exterior wall, then replace it with the Second Floor Stacked wall. I was also wondering about wall joins between groups. They seem to be very difficult to get the correct wall join.

Thanks,

Aaron

I tried this in a simple case and it worked fine. Could you post your simplified file here, so we can take a quick look at it?

Thanks,

Tamas

PS: Patrick, you seem to have a major grudge against Stacked walls. You can always "unstack" them with the right-click "Break Up" command. So you can use them as a drawing tool if they dont work otherwise.

[tamas]

Thanks Aaron. I do see a few problems on our end with this file. We'll try to sort them out.

I think the disappearing wall is caused by the window failing to cut it during the regeneration after the type change.

As a work around (I know, it is ugly) you can cut the window (Ctrl-X), change the walls to Stacked type, and paste the window back with Paste Aligned -> Same place.

I also see some "Unable to join" errors, but you can ignore them and the walls still look ok.

One thing I noticed after the wall type change, is that the window does not cut through the brick sweep properly. This can be fixed by changing the wall type with the sweep in the "Edit Structure"->Sweep dialog by checking the Cuttable column on the sweeps.

Tamas

[archjake]

You can always "unstack" them with the right-click "Break Up" command. So you can use them as a drawing tool if they dont work otherwise.

I didn't know this. I've been finding new Revit features every day & I'm coming up on 4 years of every day use! Thanks.

[tamas]

Just edited my previous post. Please read it again.

Tamas

[tamas]

Aaron,

I looked at some tof the groups you have in this file and found that the several neighboring groups create parallel walls right next to each other between units. ("Sandwiched" walls) The wall joins at those walls usually are harder to handle by Revit. I think it is a good idea to avoid the sandwiched wall conditions.

I tried to edit some of the bad joins in plan view and was able to fix them by selecting one wall, and clicking the blue control. (That is equivalent to pulling the control away from the join and pulling it back.)

Hope this helped you a bit.

Tamas

[aashley21]

Thanks Tamas

I did not know about clicking the blue control, that seems to help out a bunch! Thank you! I figured that revit might have a problem with "sandwiched" walls but it was easier to create our plans that way. I figure at the end of the job, if we have time, we will create the sandwiched wall into a single wall and ungroup the groups.

Aaron,

I looked at some tof the groups you have in this file and found that the several neighboring groups create parallel walls right next to each other between units. ("Sandwiched" walls) The wall joins at those walls usually are harder to handle by Revit. I think it is a good idea to avoid the sandwiched wall conditions.

I tried to edit some of the bad joins in plan view and was able to fix them by selecting one wall, and clicking the blue control. (That is equivalent to pulling the control away from the join and pulling it back.)

Hope this helped you a bit.

Tamas

[patricks]

I didn't know this. I've been finding new Revit features every day & I'm coming up on 4 years of every day use! Thanks.

I didn't know about it either... was that a new feature for 8.1?