View Poll Results: How do you test, if at all?

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  • Test Applicants before hire?

    16 48.48%
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    Default How do you test applicants?

    Hi all!

    Last week I went to AUGI CAD Camp for the first time and came away with some awesome stuff. In Robert Green's CAD Manager's Handbook course the topic of testing applicants came up. I'm trying to come up with some ideas and questions for putting together a multiple choice question set. My first question is, how many of you test applicant? Next I was hoping some of you may have ideas for questions to put into the test. To give some topics my company is in the Fire Alarm/ Nurse Call industry so we deal with Arch XREFs a lot as well as schematic systems layouts and obviously block libraries.

    Thanks in advance!
    MC

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    If you have a technical question, please find the appropriate forum and ask it there.
    You will get a quicker response from your fellow AUGI members than if you sent it to me via a PM or email.
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    Default Re: How do you test applicants?

    Once again I forgot the FIND command...

    Sorry! Thanks for the links!

    MC

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    Default Re: How do you test applicants?

    Why multiple choice?
    Draughting isn't (in the conventional sense) a multiple choice occupation.

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    Default Re: How do you test applicants?

    Very difficult this one I would tend not to test, as most of the time I find that it gives you a lot a lot more than their CV unless you over complicate the test, in which case what are you really after here? i would tend to use the provisional period to assess them before carrying on with them. Or even better yet have a system where by you take them on, on contract with 1 week notice period for a trial period before making them permanent. That aways works out fine.

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    Default Re: How do you test applicants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beldin
    Very difficult this one I would tend not to test, as most of the time I find that it gives you a lot a lot more than their CV unless you over complicate the test, in which case what are you really after here? i would tend to use the provisional period to assess them before carrying on with them. Or even better yet have a system where by you take them on, on contract with 1 week notice period for a trial period before making them permanent. That aways works out fine.
    Yep same thoughts here. Also what about technical skill/knowledge? In my experience it is more important than CAD which can be taught relatively quickly. But alas there are also other threads which discuss this.

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    Default Re: How do you test applicants?

    When our new users start, they are on six months probation, if they can't draw, they can find the door.

    Usually a quick look at the CV and references will tell you all you need to know about thier CAD skills.
    Last edited by Avatart; 2006-11-07 at 03:10 PM.

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    Default Re: How do you test applicants?

    Unfortunately company policy where I work precludes probationary periods. Once you're on, you're on. We've recently had a several bad hires that in interview were able to BS their way to sounding like real pros. Having to take a simple test would have prooved or disprooved their claims. I found a neat test at www.academix.com that not only tests on acad knowledge but ability to follow instruction.

    As for relying on industry experience over drafting skills that is not an option. I work in the Life Safety industry (Fire Alarm, Nurse Call, Access Control, etc.) and finding people that have even heard of that field let alone know what they're doing in it is VERY rare. We have to rely on a new hire knowing their stuff about drafting so we can focus on training them on the industry skill set. I'm in charge of training and don't have time to explain what an xref is when I've got to teach someone what a networked transponder system is. At the very least I want to know what their weaknesses are heading in so I'm prepared rather than having to spend a week fixing all the drawings that were FUBAR'd by their incompetence. (Yes that happened and that person is no longer with the company)

    Anyway... I think I've found what I'm looking for. Thanks for the input everyone! In an ideal world I would agree with most of you that pre-hire evaluation shouldn't be necessary but at least in my situation it appears to be.

    Thanks!
    Mc

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    Default Re: How do you test applicants?

    Quote Originally Posted by jaberwok
    Why multiple choice?
    Draughting isn't (in the conventional sense) a multiple choice occupation.
    The idea isn't to see if they're a master drafter. It's to test basic knowledge of AutoCAD to see if they are being honest in where their at. I don't mind working to train someone who isn't the best drafter so long as they admit it and are willing to put in the extra effort to learn it in addition to learning the new industry skill set. It's when someone claims to be a "Power User" and is blowing smoke that I get a tad bit annoyed when they wreck a week's worth of work on a project.

    The idea of the evaluation in my mind is to weed out the chaff, and to see where those that truly want to be there and are honest about it are in their existing skill set.

    MC

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    Default Re: How do you test applicants?

    Unfortunately for the CAD Man., applicant testing is virtually non-existent in Architectural firms, at least here in Chicago. Employers are much more concerned with the applicant's abilities as a designer and critical thinker.

    On the up-side, a good, well rounded candidate that exhibits these qualities will generally prove to be a good technology adopter and, if they don't know CAD well already, will be a fast learner. The down side, of course, is that people of all professions will BS their way into a job and the cadman has to take the good with the bad.

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