Structures dissappearing in profile..??

[whf]

Hello,

I am running C3d 2008. I have several manholes, all of exactly the same style, none overridden, and all on the same layer. Some of them are displaying and some are not (in profile view only...not effecting plan representation). All of the layers within the structure style are on and the layer the the "block" resides on is on..

So...they should all be displayed but are not. They all used to be visible....When I turn on/thaw all layers, they do reappear, but I can't seem to find any layer that would be controlling one and not the other (same structures, same style, same layer).

I've removed them from the profile and re-drawn. They are created exactly as should be with the proper style and on the proper layers, but are not visible (unless all layers are on/thawed). If I remove and re-draw several manholes, both those that are visible and those that are having problems, they are all reproduced with the same problem effecting the same manholes and the normal ones are ok. This is driving me crazy! Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

Bill


Update: When I explode the manholes twice, the block that results is residing on the layer(s) that it was initially created on...This is the root of the problem, as the effected manholes are on the wrong layer (only the rendered block once exploded, though). The block can't be edited as it is an anonymous block created by the 3d object (manhole). It would seem that deleting these manholes and re-drawing in profile would force a new anonymous block to be created that would end up on the correct layer, but that is not appearing to be the case. HELP!!

[MHultgren]

Hi Bill,
Take a look at your Command settings for AddParttoProfile (or something like that) under your Pipes settings, the defaults have been hidden in here in this release. It could be your new manholes are using these defaults.

[whf]

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the tip...but I looked through the AddNetworkPartsToProf command and I'm not finding anything that would cause this...

It does seem like it has to to with this command, however....

I've gone back through my drawing files and I have managed to pinpoint the exact moment that this cropped up (I save constantly due to the frequency that c3d can crash). There was a manhole added to the middle of a run. When the structure was drawn in profile view, the manhole adjacent to it (downstream) somehow inherited the "wrong" layer...nothing was modified on the existing effected structure. Next, another manhole was moved down the road a few feet, and it also picked up the incorrect layer problem. It wasn't redrawn or anything...just moved in plan and automatically updated (and cheesed) in profile.


Argghh!!

[MHultgren]

I'll check it out when I get home this afternoon. I had a 30 day trial here at work (that expired Friday) but have a licensed version at home. We made the purchase, just waiting for IT to get it installed, so I can start configuring it for the company next week and then in two weeks start the training.

psst.... check out this page and let me know what you think?

[whf]

Thanks Mark!

Also, the structure still has the layer problem even when I override the structure display style in the profile. If I set it to any style that displays the 3d part, it's visibility continues to be controlled by this unassociated (seemingly) layer. If I set it to a style that is displayed as a block it is fine. When I edit the part itself in the partbuilder, the only layer present is 0 and I don't see a parameter that deals with layering..

Thanks!

[MHultgren]

Hi Bill,
This is where the default setting is getting pulled from for your Pipe or Structure in profile. Make sure the default style has the correct layer settings?

[whf]

Hi Mark,

Yes, my default styles are correct and yes, the styles are set up properly with the correct layering. There is nothing that I can see that is controlling the layer of the underlying anonymous block (not the block displayed, but the block that comprises that block), which is where the issue is cropping up. The problem seems to be associated with only a couple of structures.

I can delete the profile views of the problem structures and delete the profile view of some normal structures, then redraw them all in profile view, and the structures that had the problem still have it and the ones that were fine are still fine. There is something really weird going on here.

I suppose that my next step would be to delete the actual structures and re-insert them, but then inserting structures is how this problem occured in the first place and I'm not sure if I wouldn't just be creating more problems.

(I just got one more idea....I'll delete the profile(s) and then purge the drawing to get rid of the A-block....then redraw...)

I've already spent about 7 hours tracing this problem. There seems to be no control for what is happening, and thus no way to correct it. Yea acad. I may just try to wblock the section of line (although that is a chore in itself in C3d) so I can post it.

Thanks!
Bill


So I tried the purge...no dice. It's not listing any A-blocks defined.....