Loadbearing walls and columns - again

[JH75]

I know this has been discussed over and over again. But I need some clarifications
The procedure I follow is:
- duplicate my view and change the view range to cut through say 300 below the slab.
- turn everything off in my load bearing view to only show walls, columns etc.
- change the pattern to suit and tick the Transparent box.

After I have set this up I first place the "Level Layout Plan" on my sheet and then add the Load bearing Layout on top.

My questions are:
- When I go in to the Visibility settings for the Load bearing view - I have to change the Line and Patterns for my objects under Projection/Surface and not under Cut Style. Why is that? My cut section is set 300 below the slab and is "cutting" through the the columns.
- Is it anyway you can not show the line for an object? In this case for example the I only want to show the Pattern of the columns in my load bearing view as the hidden line is controlled by my Level Layout Plan.

I hope it all makes sense
Thanks
J

[m20roxxers]

J

The problem here is that ther is too much hassle in making your level contain the hidden line under elements.

I find it much easier to attach columns and walls and then turn off hidden lines in my structural columns and walls in my VG settings for the level I'm working on.

Then just show as you have done the unders with overrides on the project and cut lines both set to hidden detail and set to transparent.

You'll find it simply easier, and don't try to mess with line types to create lines with big spaces causes issues which generally need to be reset. Or they plain just show a general line that you can't change and doesn't make sense.

[JH75]

Thanks m20roxxers,
I know what you mean it is real hassle - but when you work an layout you will not see the columns under if you have them "turned off" ie you only show them on the Loadbearing Layout.

I was thinking of maybe create a new dotted linetype with a big spacing to have as the linetype for my objects on my loadbearing layout. But the problem I have is that I get a solid line at each end of the object. Please see my thread here http://forums.augi.com/showthread.ph...544#post872544

Thanks
J

[m20roxxers]

I personally think the best way to solve all these issues is to expand upon the Overlay options in the View properties. The best way I believe is allow us to create a draw layer system, where each layer we set contains VG properties, a view range setting and filters for the objects we want to put on that drawing layer (I stress drawing layers as I dont want people think in terms of AutoCAD layers)

So say we want to set 4 draw options for our drawing layer we set it to four.
Then on the first layer (Bottom) we set the VG settings for objects we want to appear on our base (ie. walls over, sofft lines)

Then on our second option we set the VG to display our slab edge so it appears over our walls.

Then our third overlay is our tags, Reinforcement etc.

Then our top layer contains our LB under and other important information.

I think using this system will allow to set our draw orders how we want, customise our printing rather then running around with the linework tool, and other things, and generally improve (for all disciplines not just structural) how we want the drawing to display.
Each drawing layer setup with our own VG settings and filters for our own purposes.

Is it BIM correct, not really but the idea is to have the ability to document our projects the way we want, I could also see this being used for Elevations for Architects and over area's to clean up those line issues. And you dont have to use it, just like the underlay option set it to none if you dont want to use the system.

At the moment we simply substitute additional views for this process which again isn't effective in the long especially on larger projects.

[JH75]

I think that is a very good idea.
Maybe Drawing Order is a more proper term than Drawing Layers?
I guess - as it is all databse driven you could take it one step futher. You can setup Drawing Order you want for every single object/tag etc.
The user can assign ANY object(s) to what ever Drawing Order you want. It could be a similar layout as Objects Styles browser with dropdowns for each object which will allow you to select the drawing order.
J

[JH75]

Hi,

How come my lines look different from my Revit model to how they actually are printed? Please see attached images.
I did some changes to my view templates but they have all been re-applied to the layouts and I have re-started Revit as well.
The screendump from revit is of a sheet.
I am clueless to how this can happen?

Cheers,J
<Edit>
I have re-posted this in the plotting/printing/exporting forum
http://forums.augi.com/showthread.ph...572#post872572
</Edit>

[bdb]

Are you printing with raster or vector processing? I find that raster is alot more accurate when it comes to hatch patterns and objects over the top of each other.

Brock

[JH75]

Yes I was printing with vector processing and that is why it didn't work. I am now printing with raster processing and it works OK - the only down side is that the lines are not as crisp when plotting to full scale drawings (hard copies).
I hope this is something that will be looked at for the next release.
PS,
Here is a link to aother post I had re. this issue http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=84929
DS

Cheers,
J

[brent.vanlelyveld]

m20roxxers, I read your post regarding overlay options, however I am a bit lost in how you access the Overlay options in the view properties as can't seem to find this. Think I might have misunderstood what you were explaining, but how do you access the Overlay options?

Thanks

[JH75]

I believe what m20roxxers is discussing above is a suggestion (or a wish item) for how this could be improved in Revit.
J