View Poll Results: Would you like the ability to make walls non-vertical, by specifying the angle when creating the wal

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  • No--I would never use this tool

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    Default Re: Non-vertical walls

    Quote Originally Posted by cliff collins View Post
    3. I'm asking for those who answered NO to explain WHY they would never use the tool
    given that it works (not long dissertations on current software limitations/programming issues, etc.)
    Revit is extremely limited in its modeling tools (even compared to AutoCAD). Most firms worldwide don't use Revit for that reason. Those who do, generally don't need more advance modeling tool like a wall tilt parameter, simply because their projects don't require that. I don't even remember the last time I’ve seen a tilted wall or non-orthogonal building in the image gallery. So, in Autodesk defense, they are more likely to give us a text editor that has more requests, than a tool that tilts walls on the fly.

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    Default Re: Non-vertical walls

    Quote Originally Posted by cliff collins View Post
    3. I'm asking for those who answered NO to explain WHY they would never use the tool
    given that it works (not long dissertations on current software limitations/programming issues, etc.)

    If we are just to assume the tool would work flawlessly then I suppose NOBODY could truthfully answer NO to this poll.

    Now if there was perhaps another option to the poll you might get better responses. I would say there could be another option about the tools working OK as of now.

    For Example:

    In the few (3) "real" projects I have put together in the last year or so, I would say without really doing any in depth analysis, 98% of the walls I drew in the project were handled flawlessly with the current tools and were 90 deg to the floor. I had one wall that was sloped and I need to draw it using the, mass, by face method, and the other had a retaining wall and some other walls with a sloped face. I did these by adding a prifile sweep to represent the sloping face to the wall definition.

    So for those 2% which were not 90 deg I had to resort to other tools, but it was by no means impossible. So I had to spend a few extra minutes/clicks on 2% (at best) of the walls I drew.

    So would I use these kinds of tools if they were part of Revit and worked flawlessly as you have described? Yes.

    Are these tools REQUIRED to draw the small percentage of sloping walls I had in projects in the last year? No.

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    Jeff,

    As an Architect using Revit since its first release, and doing "real world" projects
    every day for the last 20 years, and especially in the Hotel/resort/casino market--
    I would say that EVERY project we do has sloping walls--and much more complicated
    geometry! Take a look around--not all buildings are boxes!!

    So--again, the plain and simple question:

    Would you like a tool, which GIVES YOU THE OPTION to tilt a wall?

    Cut to the chase---almost 90% of the voters say YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    cheers........................

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    Default Re: Non-vertical walls

    OK, we want that tool, I guess Adesk already knows it also!!!
    But it is important to say that this is just the simplest version of what we need....

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    Default Re: Non-vertical walls

    Quote Originally Posted by cliff collins View Post
    Jeff,

    As an Architect using Revit since its first release, and doing "real world" projects
    every day for the last 20 years, and especially in the Hotel/resort/casino market--
    I would say that EVERY project we do has sloping walls--and much more complicated
    geometry! Take a look around--not all buildings are boxes!!

    So--again, the plain and simple question:

    Would you like a tool, which GIVES YOU THE OPTION to tilt a wall?

    Cut to the chase---almost 90% of the voters say YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    cheers........................
    I also worked on plenty of "real world" projects while I was working everyday as an architect for 8 years. During those 8 years I think I can probably count the number of sloping walls I did on 1 hand.

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    Jeff,

    "How often" will vary from firm to firm, project to project. It frankly does not matter.
    The point is, when we need a sloping wall, give us a simple, easy to use
    tool. Period.

    And all this is just about simple, non-vertical walls!
    (Lest I even start a similar poll
    for free-form/organic/NURBS modelling !!!! )

    Think how silly this post would be on a 3dsMax forum. It is not even a relevant topic.

    And, as a side bar: If the modeling tools allow freedom in design--you just might see
    a few more interesting buildings sprouting up around the world!

    cheers........................

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    Default Re: Non-vertical walls

    Its a silly post here as well, no offense.

    What is it youre trying to achieve? If you want the tool why not put it on the wishlish forum?

    What, if you keep bumping it to the top do you think Adsk will just suddenly put it in to mute the masses? hehe

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    Smile Re: Non-vertical walls

    It is in the Wishlist LOL

    Here's what I'm trying to accomplish:
    To inform the Factory that a lot of Revit users would use, and benefit from,
    a simple tool to give them a choice of modelling walls with the Wall tool
    that are non-vertical. That's it. It shouldn't be so difficult.


    cheers...

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    Smile Re: Non-vertical walls

    This just in

    YES: 53
    NO: 8

    The masses have spoken.

    cheers....

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    Default Re: Non-vertical walls

    Should we then start a topic on creating a vertical roof...? or talk about why when you create a roof at a steep slope you see that it is NOT its original thickness, but that it is horribly skewed... why can't it STAY it's correct thickness? *sigh* the limits of these "uber powerful" BIM programs are very annoying. There are plenty of work-arounds, but those typically take away the "BIM" usefulness and you might have well have made the wall and imported it from Max. You'd all be VERY surprised at how useful Max can be when used correctly. Anyway......

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