Wall Panel Elevations

[madyb]

Newby here.... I have traditionally drawn wall panel elevations in Autocad as individual panels so I have plenty of room to show embeds, dimensions & reinforcing. With Revit we are getting panel elevations as complete unspeparated walls w/ reveals representing the panel joints. I would appreciate someone posting an example of how they show all the above mentioned anotation on a Revit panel elevations sheet.

[JH75]

We draw our walls and make sure the outline is OK. Then we use the split command to split the wall into different "panels" - ie each panel will be a seperat wall.
That way we can schedule the walls and easily tag them in plan and elevation. We generally don't put any dimensions on our panel elevatiosn as that is the shop detailers job
Cheers
Jonas

[kathy71046]

After you split your walls, make sure to select do not join on the ends.

You will then be able to constrain them to reference planes, grids or each other easily, without them rejoining.

I create an elevation for each wall, and pull the crop regions in to between the panels, as this saves hiding the walls next to them, and allows showing the rebar and dimensioning for each wall individually. You will probably want to be on thin lines while adjusting your crop regions.

[priitl22047477]

I usually use "Isolate element" command to get only one panel on my elevation or plan view.

[kathy71046]

I usually use "Isolate element" command to get only one panel on my elevation or plan view.

Providing I can copy/place in rebar where needed, that may actually work better. I'll try that on the next job.

[Jmickledesign]

Did anyone think about potentially creating a curtain wall and breaking them into panels by using the grid cuts. You can then substitute each panel with a wall of your choice. They can then be scheduled and you can create a new mullion profile for how the panels will be joined if you want to get that detailed. Once that panel has a wall applied to it you are then able to put a door or window, or any thing else a wall can have on its own.

Just and idea.

Good Luck,

[priitl22047477]

I have tried three ways.
1. curtain wall -
the problem is with displaying and did you know that you can not isolate one panel-
positive is that i get good enough schedule with heights and everything, not for not rectangular wall though ( L shape), so I need to add it manually to other column - does not look nice.
and mullion just adds space between panels but i want more ...
2. walls with hosted generic families as joints-
negative i can not schedule them at all.
and hard to get wall panels one by one for shop drawings
positive i get very nice drawings with joints exactly(shape) as i want.
change of panels was easy - of course plan and view up to date
3. currently i am using walls that are not allowed to join.
negative- i need to add height manually to schedule
positive i get every panels weight and area( with or without openings)
i can position them and then its correct on every drawing
I really works ok - once you have all the constrains in place. I have changed the design, as client changed is mind, to reduce the number of panels- it was really easy to change the size and number of panels.

See attached file (Its work in progress, i have not divided stair into precast elements jet)

P.S. I need to do it all from preliminary design to shop-drawings, if someone is wondering why I bother...

[kathy71046]

I didn't think curtain walls could be set as structural, so I've never bothered with them.

My usage is like Pritt's, do the engineering drawings, then create actual detail drawings from them, and using the individual walls is in fact easier for this purpose, despite seeming like it's a lot of extra work.

Set your levels/locks/grids right, and you can jiggle to your hearts content without breaking anything.

I tried using a "joint" family as well, and while it looks great, it creates some amazing nightmares when trying to actually detail the items, even to the point of making architecturals difficult to dimension, so I have completely thrown that out the window.

[JH75]

If you have a wall that you want to divide into equal panels what is your process - assuming you are not using Curtain wall?
I usually array a set of lines on my elevation to indicate where I would like to have the wall joins. Then I use the "Split with gap" tool using the arrayed lines as a guid.
The probem is that the "Split with gap" tool doesn't snap to the intersection between the wall and the Arrayed lines (used as guids) - which means that the walls will not be exact the same width. They may vary depending on how or where I click when using the S"plit with gap" tool. How do you overcome this?
I hope it make sense

Thanks
Jonas

[m20roxxers]

You can also build parametric inplace system families, or external family files for creating Panel Walls, comes down to how much information, detailing and quantities you need from the shedule. The advantage of external families is your walls can be brought into legends and panel detail can be quickly done up. The issue is what catagory to put them under.....

Curtain walls can work well but have limitations, simple layouts are best used as above by splitting the walls.