Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 11 to 16 of 16

Thread: Consistant View Placement

  1. #11
    I could stop if I wanted to
    Join Date
    2005-10
    Posts
    321
    Login to Give a bone
    0

    Default Re: Consistant View Placement

    You are correct. If you miss the placement the first time just remove the view and it drag it back on snapping to the origin.

    Getting a bit more technical now regarding the families:

    I recommend adding shared parameters to your default titleblock and detail box families, this is not mandatory but makes future project setup more efficient. The parameters should consist of two length "type" parameters. (an x and y offset).

    The trick with the titleblock family is to group all of the content. This allows you to constrain the single object to the offset parameters. The titleblock group will need to be constrained to a second group. The second group should consist of two "invisible" lines one for the x direction and one for the y direction.The properties of these two lines within the group must also be set to "invisible" DO NOT use reference lines as they will corrupt the printing. By using these 2x invisible lines Revit does not recognize them as part of the printing extents. Now that your titleblock is "constrained" create the applicable titleblock types; Area - A, Area - B, Area - C, Overall, Detail Sheet, etc..and adjust the new offset parameters accordingly.

    Regarding the Details:
    Create a symbol family that represents your typical detail box paper space extents and constrain it to the x and y reference planes based off from the lower left corner. In a similar manner to the titleblock constrain the family so it can move based on the detail location. The family will contain a seperate type for each detail number. A second approach to this family is to create an entire sheet layout and use visibility constraints to turn on/off the necessary box location. Using your origin .dwg file you can locate the origin within a drafting view and place the symbol family in the proper location. Then select the appropriate type and create your content within the detail box area. Due to the family being a symbol the location and size will automatically be adjusted according to view scale. A default detail template containing the symbol family the origin can be used otherwise just copy/paste the box from existing details and modified when applicable.

    A custom program that places the symbol family at the origin (or one that auto places them on the sheet) would be the bees knees but this will have to suffice.

    Provided you are using shared parameters in your families, import them as project parameters within your template files. This way new projects will only require the user to define the initial box size and set up the plan locations if applicable.

    Moderators this should be moved into the "Workaround" folder.
    Last edited by Jshaver; 2009-02-03 at 10:18 PM. Reason: Formatting

  2. #12
    Revit Forum Manager Steve_Stafford's Avatar
    Join Date
    2001-12
    Location
    Irvine, CA
    Posts
    7,567
    Login to Give a bone
    0

    Default Re: Consistant View Placement

    Jeff alluded to this concept in a comment on my blog the other day and promised to share more details here. Thanks! Very clever solution!

    I couldn't help but be disappointed though as soon as I understood that the title block family has to be repositioned for the scheme to work, because Revision Schedules don't like being constrained. Jeff confirmed when I asked him that the projects he's used this on so far did not actually need to use the Revit revision scheduling tools.

    I had hoped that grouping the schedule with other constrained line work would solve the problem. Revit fools you into thinking you are on to something because it flexes in the family editor nicely. In the project...not so nicely, it doesn't. The one "solution" I did find that "works" is to add an overlay title block of just a couple "reference" (not actual reference lines) lines and the schedule in a separate family. This is created by copying the title block in place/ paste aligned > current view. Two title blocks in the sheet view, one manages positioning, the other the revision schedule. "yucky" If only a revision schedule could be detected by a dimension, we could constrain it.

    Unless someone else has found a way to constrain a revision schedule so it can be moved around...?

  3. #13
    I could stop if I wanted to
    Join Date
    2005-10
    Posts
    321
    Login to Give a bone
    0

    Default Re: Consistant View Placement

    Steve is correct. This limitation is present if you are using the native schedule. I have also attempted every possible constraining method including importing a seperate revision view as a group, rfa, or a nested rfa to no avail.

    Personally I do not think this terminates the use of this placement method, but rather simplifies it.
    As Steve mentioned below the titleblock family containing the revision schedule can be "manually" moved to the correct location without any issues.
    Bearing this in mind, a titleblock family can be created containing the parameters and constraints described previously. We will call this family the "origin indicator" It should contain crosshairs that define a location point for the "actual" titleblock for all the necessary types.
    Within the project creating a new sheet select the "origin" titleblock and the appropriate type.
    Next simply place the actual titleblock and snap it to the appropriate location then remove the "origin indicator". This procedure only needs to be done once for every configuration (Area A, Area B, Details, etc...) When creating your remaining areas simply copy/paste the titleblock from one sheet to the next. Note that the "actual" titleblock will not contain any of the location parameters, constraints, or groups.
    Its not as streamlined as the "non-revision schedule" approach but the end result is the same ability to snap views to consistant locations.

    A second limitation I would like to point out is the fact that imported images can not be natively added to the titleblock group. This may be able to be overcome by nesting it within a .dwg file or an rfa family. (Haven't tested this yet though)

    Again let me know if there are further questions.

  4. #14
    I could stop if I wanted to Kevin Janik's Avatar
    Join Date
    2003-05
    Location
    Portland, OR
    Posts
    383
    Login to Give a bone
    0

    Default Re: Consistant View Placement

    Is there anything to update for Revit 2010 that helps this process or changes it?

    Kevin

  5. #15
    Member marcoavallone's Avatar
    Join Date
    2006-08
    Location
    Boston
    Posts
    21
    Login to Give a bone
    0

    Default Re: Consistant View Placement

    Thanks guys I'll give this a shot...

    Hey It works but you don't need to go through the CAD rigamaroll... Just align the ghosted origin double crosshairs and the move the VP's by a standard dim. Great Revit isn't glitchy at all... Glitchy at all.. all alllll glitchy at all. I would like to sing you a song. "Just what do you think you are doing Dave"
    Last edited by marcoavallone; 2009-07-02 at 01:10 PM.

  6. #16
    I could stop if I wanted to
    Join Date
    2007-03
    Posts
    213
    Login to Give a bone
    0

    Default Re: Consistant View Placement

    Just use Revit Guide Grids, they were made for this purpose.
    http://au.autodesk.com/?nd=auv2011_player
    See: Autodesk® Revit® MEP: Classy Construction Documents
    Last edited by SamuelAB; 2011-11-29 at 06:07 PM.

Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12

Similar Threads

  1. View Filter placement and ordering.
    By Wish List System in forum Revit MEP - Wish List
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 2012-11-14, 02:19 PM
  2. View Frame Placement Issues
    By dbreedlove in forum AutoCAD General
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 2009-07-09, 01:59 PM
  3. View Placement on Sheets
    By PaulB in forum Revit Architecture - General
    Replies: 22
    Last Post: 2008-03-28, 02:04 AM
  4. Consistant placement of views on sheets.
    By Jshaver in forum Revit Structure - Wish List
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 2006-11-18, 03:56 PM
  5. 8.1/E - elevation symbol placement should be view dependent.
    By iru69 in forum Revit Architecture - Wish List
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 2005-12-21, 02:35 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •