Scaled Titleblocks

[SA Ross622]

Ever since I started working in AutoCAD I have kept Paperspace at 1:1 and cut a Viewport to the needed drawing scale. Unfortunately I am working with a 3rd party software that cuts my sheets, where the viewport is 1:1 and the Title Block is scaled to the drawing scale. My problem then comes into effect of when I try to use Civil Object Layers.

Is there a universal setting so that I can turn off the dependence on Viewport Scale? Or override the Annotation Scale to be different from the Viewport Scale?

[Tom Beauford]

What 3rd party software is it? You may want to contact them about this. What you're describing kind of defeats the purpose of having Paperspace.

[Opie]

Why not create your own viewport in paperspace showing the entire titleblock, which your 3rd party software is generating? There is nothing that says you have to place your titleblock in paperspace, other than it makes more sense to be located there.

[SA Ross622]

The program is called Blue Sky or Skyline. The Titleblocks are not in Model Space, I work in real world coordinates so the view is moved and twisted for each sheet, that part of Paperspace is utilized. My best guess is that for programming purposes it is easier for the sheet layout and annotated with the titleblock at 1:1. It has been mentioned to the company, but the software isn't tied to use with Civil 3D.

[BlackBox]

There is nothing that says you have to place your titleblock in paperspace, other than it makes more sense to be located there.

You haven't tried using an attributed Title Block, populated with fields that reference SSM properties, have you?

Cheers

[BlackBox]

The program is called Blue Sky or Skyline. The Titleblocks are not in Model Space, I work in real world coordinates so the view is moved and twisted for each sheet, that part of Paperspace is utilized. My best guess is that for programming purposes it is easier for the sheet layout and annotated with the titleblock at 1:1. It has been mentioned to the company, but the software isn't tied to use with Civil 3D.

Forgive the question, as I am not familiar with the products you mention, but how is this any different than Civil 3D's built-in Plan Production Tools - you know, aside from the 3rd party apps scaling your paperspace components so that Viewport is 1:1, potentially breaking all annotative scales, etc.?

Cheers

[SA Ross622]

The Titleblock is fully annotated. The annotation I am talking about is dimensions, callouts and misc linework that describes changes in pipe material.

Here is an image of an Alignment sheet. Basically all the info on the sheet outside the viewport is generated by the software.asm.gif

[Tom Beauford]

The Titleblock is fully annotated. The annotation I am talking about is dimensions, callouts and misc linework that describes changes in pipe material.

Here is an image of an Alignment sheet. Basically all the info on the sheet outside the viewport is generated by the software.

Cannot make out much in that image, like BlackBox wondering what that software does that couldn't be done without it or the problems it's causing.

Sometimes less is more…

[SA Ross622]

I need to change how Civil 3D displays its labels, if that is not possible I will be forced to create the Civil Callouts to scale and explode them before going into Paperspace to plot the drawings. This negates having the advantage of automating the callouts, and then I should not waste my time and make it mtext and dtext.

I don't have the abilty to change the 3rd party software, I can not change what information or how its located on the sheet. I am looking for a setting that will allow me to display Civil 3D labels in modelspace without going through all the drawing settings and scaling them up to a size that works.

[BlackBox]

I need to change how Civil 3D displays its labels, if that is not possible I will be forced to create the Civil Callouts to scale and explode them before going into Paperspace to plot the drawings. This negates having the advantage of automating the callouts, and then I should not waste my time and make it mtext and dtext.

I don't have the abilty to change the 3rd party software, I can not change what information or how its located on the sheet. I am looking for a setting that will allow me to display Civil 3D labels in modelspace without going through all the drawing settings and scaling them up to a size that works.

Civil 3D is dependent on Annotation Scales - a paperspace Viewport has two Scales, Annotative, and Standard (aka zoom).

There is a one-way relationship between these Viewport Scales; when one changes the Annotation Scale, the Standard Scale is automagically changed in kind. When one changes the Standard Scale, the Annotation Scale remains the same.

It sounds to me, like you have a Viewport Scale mismatch that is affecting the resultant sheet output, and that is a 3rd party software caused problem - You'd be lucky if this is merely a supplementary step after-the-fact, to manually change the Annotation Scale to match.

Cheers