Question:Change a Components Level when greyed out

[jan.76519]

I know there must be a simple answer. Residential: I have tried to install a tub on the lower level but it attaches to an associated level BF below (how to change this)? The level constraint is greyed out. Other fixtures insert correctly from the library at the correct level and they are not greyed out only the tubs. I think I have two issues why is the level contraint greyed out in the properties and where do you modify associated levels? I have tried everything I can think of. I'm still a novice trying to learn. JD

[wmullett]

Are you using worksets? If this element is not editable because it's in an unopened workset, you need to open that or click on the puzzle piece to make this element editable.

[bholmes]

Not sure what is causing your problem, but a solution is to select the tub in the model and hit the copy button. Then hit Paste-Aligned and select By Level and select the correct level. That should work in most cases.

[cliff collins]

The tub Family may be "hosted" by a floor or a wall, or "unhosted", depending
on how it was originally created.

You may be able to "re-host" the tub by selecting "pick host".

The one I just loaded was a wall-hosted tub, so I was able to move it's
host to different walls easily.

The tub Family most likely has a "system level" associated with it.
Open the Family editor, and take a look at an elevation view. There should be a default
Level called "Floor Line" or something like that. When you load the family into your project,
and then place the tub, Revit is "looking" for a host ( if it is a hosted family )

Hope this helps a bit. Do a search in Revit Help for "hosted families", and non- hosted
families--which are a bit more flexible. Be especially careful when using Groups
and having wall hosted families in the group--as they may not mirror or copy properly.

cheers.......

[jan.76519]

Thanks for all your suggestions. I wasn't using work groups. I finally solved my problem after much frustration. It was a hosting issue. The view I was working hosted the tub at a BF level below the slab. I must have created it wrong. I recreated the LL view then deleted the old one. When I inserted the tub it went to the 1st flr. which I rehosted the tub (std) in the section view. The issue must have become a problem when I created a view earlier. I need to find our how to make the level constraints in Element Properties active which I think would resolve my issue. Thanks for the input. Learning everyday, Jan Donelson, St. Louis

[aaronrumple]

...Jan Donelson, St. Louis

Long time no see. How are things going, Jan?

[jan.76519]

Thanks for all your suggestions. I wasn't using work groups. I finally solved my problem after much frustration. It was a hosting issue. The view I was working hosted the tub at a BF level below the slab. I must have created it wrong. I recreated the LL view then deleted the old one. When I inserted the tub it went to the 1st flr. which I rehosted the tub (std) in the section view. The issue must have become a problem when I created a view earlier. I need to find our how to make the level constraints in Element Properties active which I think would resolve my issue. Thanks for the input. Learning everyday, Jan Donelson, St. Louis

New issue: I feel I'm plagued. Now even though I have doors already on this lower level in place it won't let me insert any new door "error, can't cut instance out of wall" is this related to the previous. Where can I get the answer.? Thanks.

Aaron, at the moment feeling perplexed. Otherwise well, still trying to master the simple trials.

[cliff collins]

When placing the door family, go to properties and make sure the Level is set to the Level
you want to place the door on, and that there are no "offsets" above or below the Level
in the Door Properties.

cheers............

[jan.76519]

Thanks for the reply Cliff and your suggestion. The work plane is set to the lower level. I expanded the range of the wall ht. to the 2nd level. The door was being placed on the first level so I could then modify the properties. Prior to that placement that modification option was not available. There must be a global setting to insert a component into a view other than setting the work plane in that view. I placed doors previously on this level in the other view I deleted mentioned previously without a problem. The difficulty I'm having appears to be the same I had with the tub placement. Any ideas or searches I can make are welcome. Thanks, Jan

[cliff collins]

Sound like a bit of Revit 101 would help:

Revit's Levels are horizontal datums that run through the entire model.
Elements such as walls and floors need to be constrained to these Levels,
as they are in the real world.

Elements like doors, windows and bathtubs are usually hosted by walls or floors
which are tied to the Levels.

So--if you are trying to place a door, it must be hosted by a wall. The wall is set to
start at its base level constraint, and then extend vertically, to the next Level above,
or as specified by the user ( unconnected, offset, etc.) So there is a hierachy of Level,
Host, and family. It takes a bit of getting used to at first, but makes a lot of sense.

If you are in a Floor Plan View, it was generated most typically when the Level was placed.
You can check this by looking at an elevation--the Levels which have Plan Views associated with them are blue, ones without plan views are black. So--if you need to place a door in the basement level, go to the basement level plan. Check the properties of the wall--its constraints at the base and top. It should be located with its base constraint at the basement level, and perhaps attached to the level above, or a specific height--like 8 feet. Check this before trying to place a door in the wall, so you are oriented in the Z dimension.

Also try "tiling" a 3D view with the Plan View--so you can see the walls and doors
in both Plan and 3D simultaneously. This really helps when you are placing something
and "it's not coming in right".

Remember, you are not "drawing"--you are building a model of the project!

Hope that helps a bit. Welcome to BIM land!

cheers......

[jan.76519]

Cliff, Thanks for your patience, though I don't have the advantage of collaborating with coworkers on these common issues I probably know enough to be dangerous since working with revit for 2+yrs. I have never not been able to place or host a door before. This is a first. I have constrained floors & walls to levels at the appropriate height, set the work plane at the level needed. I duplicated the 1st flr view to make the LL view I'm working on. I have never had a time when the elements didn't attach to walls in the level I wanted. There is a new renegade issue I must find that will continue to haunt me that wasn't there before when I started the LL view. I have doors I placed earlier in walls that now are trying to attach to walls on the 1st level. Thanks again for your effort to guide me thru this elementary condition. I appreciate the tips you have given me. Jan

[cliff collins]

Aha!!!

Duplicating the View to make the new Plan View is the issue.

Instead, go to an elevation and create a new Level and corresponding Plan View.
Name the Level and Plan View according to your standards.

Then, in the new Plan View for the new Level, place walls and then doors.
This should work properly as expected.

The problem is, when you duplicated the view, it is just a copy of the original view,
and inherits its "work plane" or Level constraint. It would be possible to set the View range
to adjust to the proper elevation/storey height, but things will still be trying to host to the original Level.

Does this help?

cheers..............

[jan.76519]

Cliff, Bless you. Your suggestion solved my problem. Thanks for sticking with me. You made my weekend. Hopefully I'm done with issues for awhile.

Best regards, Jan

[cliff collins]

Hi Jan,

Glad to be of help!

Cliff