Curtain System - By Lines

[tonyisenhoff]

Can you still create a curtain system by lines in Revit 2010? I don't see this option... The attached image is from Revit 2009.

[jeffh]

This is not an option any longer. You can create an in place mass object with the 2 lines to create a face and then apply a curtain wall by face to that, or divide the face and apply pannels.

[Munkholm]

Have been searching for this feature in RAC2010 too... I´m a big fan of the new UI, but just don´t get why, some tools have become so much worse... having to create an in-place plane, is way more commands than just making two model lines...

Gues not all updates makes life easier :beer: but one could hope for a fix in WU2........

[tonyisenhoff]

Yea, Autodesk must have a reason for removing that bit of code...

We never really used it very much, but I was doing some teaching the other day and went to show that to the students the different methods for adding a curtain system... I stumbled around for a bit as you can imagine until I gave up. I almost chalked it up to "I can't find that button"...

Can you elaborate on why that was removed?

[William Troeak]

If you use the 2009 UI in Revit 2010 then the option by line is availible....

[tonyisenhoff]

Wondered about that... We're moving forward with the Ribbon since it's more than likely not going away. Times are a little slower, so we bit the bullet and made the switch.

Nice to know though - thanks for sharing that tip. It makes this whole thing a bit more interesting... Hmmmm - Laziness in creating a ribbon button???

[jeffh]

Can you elaborate on why that was removed?

I am not in Product Design so I don't know all of the reasons that decision was made. I believe it comes from the idea that using a divided surface and the new panel tools you can create a much more complex, flexible, and parametric surface than was possible with the system by lines method.

If you think about it, the process is actually much easier in the long run because you can create a divided surface. With the curtain wall by lines method you had to add the gird lines manually into the curtain system. If there was a change the entire process had to be done again. A divded surface have spacing and number of division parameters that can easily be changed to alter the pattern.

[tonyisenhoff]

I am not in Product Design so I don't know all of the reasons that decision was made. I believe it comes from the idea that using a divided surface and the new panel tools you can create a much more complex, flexible, and parametric surface than was possible with the system by lines method.

If you think about it, the process is actually much easier in the long run because you can create a divided surface. With the curtain wall by lines method you had to add the gird lines manually into the curtain system. If there was a change the entire process had to be done again. A divded surface have spacing and number of division parameters that can easily be changed to alter the pattern.

In early design, I agree...

But once you get into DD and CD, you probably no longer want the Mass, but an actual model element. Now you're starting over by generating the element from the mass and establishing the grid spacing again...

There are times where we're not doing conceptual design, but jumping right in and there is no need to create a mass...

Bottom line - that functionality is gone... Others can chime in if they think it's important to have. I can work around it using the methods you shared.

Thanks for sharing.
Tony

[jeffh]

In early design, I agree...

But once you get into DD and CD, you probably no longer want the Mass, but an actual model element. Now you're starting over by generating the element from the mass and establishing the grid spacing again...

There are times where we're not doing conceptual design, but jumping right in and there is no need to create a mass...


You can still create a pannel family to be used on the divided surface. That is an actual model element and can be scheduled etc... The divided surface is only there to assist in the layout of the pannel pattern.

[luigi]

Damn....after all this time I just realized that Curtain system by lines was removed...it was handy occasionally....I would think though that until the whole "curtain system" would be removed as a tool, that you would be able to choose between face and lines....this is, if the new panel tool is to be used instead of the curtain system....to me...curtain system by lines and face are identical in their use...remove one, why not the other...keep one, why not keep both!

oh well...just annoying that's all...

You can still create a pannel family to be used on the divided surface. That is an actual model element and can be scheduled etc... The divided surface is only there to assist in the layout of the pannel pattern.