Door - to/from Room not working

[davepsanders]

Currently we have our door schedule set to pull to and from rooms and the feature is working perfectly, except...

We have a model with an existing 8.5" deep closet. Any door that is placed in this closet pulls the corridor name but not the closet room name. It appears it has something to do with the thickness (thinness really) of this closet but I cannot determine what it is in the family that drives this.

It is not a conflict with adjacent rooms/too many rooms because I have deleted all adjacent rooms to test this.
It appears to be a conflict with something in the door family hitting the interior closet wall specifically. I have tried reducing all elements in the family (symbolic lines, reference planes, dimensions, etc) so that everything is well within the 8.5" dimension. This makes me wonder if there is some system parameter/item in the family that looks a specific distance in and out for the to and from room.

Thoughts?

[Steve_Stafford]

The side of the wall that the door swings out from is what defines the "roomness" of the door. If you place the door "in" to the closet it should think it is part of the closet instead.

Regardless you can reassign the From or To value in the schedule to show the correct orientation. Revit does not automatically switch this value after determining what it "should be", based on the swing of the door, because there are situations like an alcove where a door swings into the corridor for exiting reasons but really belongs to the room. If you place the door swinging into the room first and then flip it, the schedule will still report the correct To/From values. HTH

[mrice.47661]

I heard recently that there is a bug (er ... feature) in Revit that prevents the door from seeing spaces that are shallower that 16"-18" or so. Shallow closets seem to be the most common tripping point for this.

I can't say that I've personally experimented to confirm this, but when I read your post it immediately made me recall the comment. I'm not sure if there's really a workaround unfortunately. Perhaps if you only need 1 room to reference in the door schedule the corridor will suffice and you can follow Steve's suggestion.

[Steve_Stafford]

Out of curiosity I just tested it and confirmed that if the "room" is less than 14" deep the From and To Room data will not display in the schedule. 14" Inside face to inside face btw.

[nsinha73]

Is this "To/From" a feature in Revit that I may have missed?

[Steve_Stafford]

Yes? :smile: When you create a door schedule you can choose to include From and/or To Room information. Did you know that?

If not, in the Fields tab of the Schedule Properties dialog you need to take a look at the Select available fields from: Drop Down List Box in the bottom left corner of the dialog.

[nsinha73]

Yes? :smile: When you create a door schedule you can choose to include From and/or To Room information. Did you know that?

If not, in the Fields tab of the Schedule Properties dialog you need to take a look at the Select available fields from: Drop Down List Box in the bottom left corner of the dialog.

****!! I didn't even see that!! LOL!!!

THANKS!!

[davepsanders]

Thanks all. 14" seems to be the issue here and as far as I can tell this is a feature/parameter driven by the door families and not any of the geometry/reference planes, etc. I even tried replacing the wall opening with a void to make it easier to control.

So far no luck.

[mrice.47661]

Here's one thought ... though a pretty horrible hack, and I'm not sure it wouldn't screw up more things than it would solve.

You could(???) set the back wall of the closet to non-room bounding, and then use room separation lines to draw in a plane that is more than 14" deep back from the inside face of the wall that the door is in.

Of course, this means you get the joy of having to control the room separation lines w/ visibility/graphics, the potential for the reported area of the closet (and whatever room is behind the closet) being off, and who knows how many other oddities.

But at least your door schedule would look kosher :).

[jamesgchambers]

mrice -
you won't want to use that "hack" as it will cause room area calculations to be misleading. also, if you end up with room separation lines overlapping the wall you'll get that nasty warning.

not to be picky - but the actual break point is 14.75" - seems like an odd number for someone to stick in as a limiter...

[mrice.47661]

... "you won't want to use that "hack" as it will cause room area calculations to be misleading. also, if you end up with room separation lines overlapping the wall you'll get that nasty warning" ...

That's what I was aluding to when I warned of ... "the potential for the reported area of the closet (and whatever room is behind the closet) being off"....

What I was trying to do was suggest a solution where there really doesn't seem to be another. It could very well be that towards the later stages of the project when you're worrying about doors showing the correct to/from room that you're less concerned about the area calcs being pin-point since you've already done you're program verification. I'm just hypothesizing there - there's really no way of anyone making that judgement call other than the poster.

For what its worth, as long as the room separation line is not physically on the offending "not more than 14.75" back" wall, you won't get the overlapping error. The room separation lines that cross other walls perpendicular to the back wall won't produce the warning.

[DaveP]

not to be picky - but the actual break point is 14.75" - seems like an odd number for someone to stick in as a limiter...

I was going to guess that 14.75" translated into something in metric, but it comes out to 375mm.

Unless 375 means anything to those of you in the rest of the world that in living in the 21st century and don't have to translate fractions!

[Steve_Stafford]

In my testing 14" works in a schedule, less breaks it. Perhaps its is Dependant on Project Units.