Room Tags between Phases

[Matthew Halveland]

I'm having trouble dealing with Room tags between my demolition plan and new/proposed plan. The room boundaries seem to be separate, but when I add in room separation lines for the demo plan they show up in the proposed plan. If I demo the separation lines from the proposed it removes them from the demo plan and screws that all up.

Can anyone help shed some light on what I'm doing wrong?

[DaveP]

Do a search on ROOM PHASE in this forum and you'll find lots and lots of threads on this issue.
What is boild down to is that rhe Room object belongs to only one Phase.

[Matthew Halveland]

The room object only belonging to one phase makes sense. Why doesn't the separation lines act the same way? Ya know?

[luigi]

Seperation lines act like walls...so you can have a seperation line/wall in one phase and a different one in another... to me it would make more sense when the room behaves the same way as the other elements....that it can be demolished, etc...

The room object only belonging to one phase makes sense. Why doesn't the separation lines act the same way? Ya know?

[luigi]

Is the issue with your seperation line that it isn't in the correct phase when added?
When you add a seperation line (or wall) in the demo phase...it is considered a "new" element....when you "demo" it...it becomes "temporary" not "demo". What you need to do is place it in the "existing" phase....then "demo" it in the demo or new phase.....then it will be there in the existing phase...show as demo....and not present in the current phase


I'm having trouble dealing with Room tags between my demolition plan and new/proposed plan. The room boundaries seem to be separate, but when I add in room separation lines for the demo plan they show up in the proposed plan. If I demo the separation lines from the proposed it removes them from the demo plan and screws that all up.

Can anyone help shed some light on what I'm doing wrong?

[Matthew Halveland]

Well, I think I get what you are saying. I've been reading the other posts on this subject too. Here's what I just tried and I think it might be good enough for now. I un-demo the walls and turned them back into existing. I created the room area & tag again for it, then demoed the walls. Atleast now the room in the new plan that got bigger is back to the new size that it should be. When I got the error message to "delete the room", "ok", or "cancel". I just said ok and it kept the room on the demo plan.

[nsinha73]

We previously had used a generic annotation family as Room Tags, now these were only placed in Demo Plans and Existing. In the New Construction, we always placed the Actual Room Tags.
This method did eliminate the conflicts with Room Separation lines but was a little extra work.
But I am still waiting for a better solution on how to handle this situation.

[Matthew Halveland]

We previously had used a generic annotation family as Room Tags, now these were only placed in Demo Plans and Existing. In the New Construction, we always placed the Actual Room Tags.
This method did eliminate the conflicts with Room Separation lines but was a little extra work.
But I am still waiting for a better solution on how to handle this situation.

I'm with you. I got to thinking about this over the weekend and the temporary phase is what's the problem. Even though the walls are demo'd, they should still act as walls or as boundaries of a room. They don't existing in the new phase anyway. As it is right now, you can not tag a room if it has demo wall(s). Once a wall is demo'd that room tag expands into the adjoining space, which is not what we need to happen.

You would think AutoDesk is smarter than this. We pay them enough to be!

[luigi]

Those "demo'd" walls do control the boundary of a room...the room in the phase where those walls aren't demo'd (i.e. existing phase) In a way, the function is normal...but the matter of the fact is that when you want an 'existing" room to show in the demo phase, the "phase overrides" options fail in revit...

A solution for Autodesk might be to provide an option (just for rooms) to show the boundaries of a previous phase...so you can enable it in a phase showing demo.


I'm with you. I got to thinking about this over the weekend and the temporary phase is what's the problem. Even though the walls are demo'd, they should still act as walls or as boundaries of a room. They don't existing in the new phase anyway. As it is right now, you can not tag a room if it has demo wall(s). Once a wall is demo'd that room tag expands into the adjoining space, which is not what we need to happen.

You would think AutoDesk is smarter than this. We pay them enough to be!