Why does door swing show in RCP?

[brent.130528]

Where do I control the view for symbolic lines indicating a door swing, so that they show in plan but do not show in the reflected ceiling plan?

[nancy.mcclure]

Brent, turn off the visibility of your swing (and your door panel, as well) in the subcatgories of the Door category in your Visibility Graphics panel for the RCP view.

[ron.sanpedro]

Brent, turn off the visibility of your swing (and your door panel, as well) in the subcatgories of the Door category in your Visibility Graphics panel for the RCP view.

For what it is worth, judicious use of View Templates can do a LOT to address some really sad graphic shortcomings of Revit. For example, say you have a window with a precast sill, which you (logically) model on the Sill/Head subcategory. Well, Revit is too stupid to actually look UP at the window HEAD in an RCP, you see a downward looking projection. Yes, retarded, unlike ANY architectural drawing ever before produced, and totally wrong. But hey, you get what you pay for? What?!
And you get a Head/Sill category that you can't rename or delete. But you can ignore it, create your own individual Head and Sill Categories and model things appropriately, then turn off the Sill in RCP via View Templates. Lots of work to do something that should have been done right in the software years ago, but hey, since there is a convoluted stupid workaround we don't really expect an actual FIX do we? of course not!
But there is a workaround, so I guess that is better than the lost timeout functionality with the license manager. Class action anyone?

Gordon

[twiceroadsfool]

Fantastic attitude!

[ron.sanpedro]

Fantastic attitude!

If Ford was treated the way we treat autodesk, brand new Pintos would still be exploding today. Surely not apples to apples, as failures by autodesk are not actually killing people, but still a salient point I think. Imagine the quality we would see in Revit if there was a lemon law and we could simply demand our money back when the product actually fails to do what it claims to. I suspect the preview bug might have been fixed years ago, and the timeout bug never shipped. ;)

Gordon

[Steve_Stafford]

A reflected ceiling plan is by the use of the term, reflected, literally a floor plan - looking down - at a reflected image of the ceiling on the floor. This is essentially what Revit is doing. It is not lying on the floor looking up at the ceiling. That's been my understanding of the drafting convention for a "RCP". :Puffy:

As I wander from place to place I find firms that DON'T show openings in walls in their RCP and those that DO. I love consistency and standards :smile:

Adjusting the cut plane allows Revit to "see" the door but we end up with the plan swing and panel subcategories being visible too. As Nancy suggests, if the door is cut, then we just need to toggle off the subcategories. Fwiw...just unchecking the main door category will usually provide the same appearance.

[twiceroadsfool]

If Ford was treated the way we treat autodesk, brand new Pintos would still be exploding today. Surely not apples to apples, as failures by autodesk are not actually killing people, but still a salient point I think. Imagine the quality we would see in Revit if there was a lemon law and we could simply demand our money back when the product actually fails to do what it claims to. I suspect the preview bug might have been fixed years ago, and the timeout bug never shipped. ;)

Gordon

LOL, we disagree. My ceiling plans look great, and i use Revit. Never even thought of it as a workaround. But, uh, good luck with that, uh, lemon class action...

[brent.130528]

Thanks, Nancy and Steve! That took care of my issue.

[dgreen.49364]

Hmmm. Yeah, no workarounds are necessary. We set our rcp cut plane at a level below the top of the door, usually 6'-6". Toggle off the doors.

[djc1984]

Can anyone help me with this issue. I have added a door in my model, but it is not showing in the vg model category. (see attached).

Also, when i switch to reveal hidden elements, it shows the door swing but will not let me unhide it. (see second attachment)

[Munkholm]

Can anyone help me with this issue. I have added a door in my model, but it is not showing in the vg model category. (see attached).

Also, when i switch to reveal hidden elements, it shows the door swing but will not let me unhide it. (see second attachment)

Not sure, but could it be that you´re using Revit Structure ?
The Door category is there by default in Architecture.... but I know next to nothing about Structure...

[djc1984]

thanks for the reply. it may be because it's revit structure

[Scott Womack]

In the lower left corner, you did not have the "Show catagories from all disciplines" checked. Once you check this you'll see the "Doors" catagory appear.

Good Luck!

[djc1984]

Thankyou! I cant believe it was that easy. How did I miss that!

[bbebart]

Why an architect DOESN'T show the door swing on the reflected ceiling plan has always baffled me. It is an important piece of information and ought to be visible on all plans. For the ceiling plan (which also shows light switches, exit signs and pendant light fixtures) knowing the door location and swing is a valuable bit of coordination information.

In the old big firm where I used to work I got constant pushback from the IT group and the core and shell architects on this issue. I was in the interiors group (and thus a lesser being despite my architecture license) and when I first broached the issue with IT they laughed at me and said that it was one of the dumbest ideas that they had ever heard. Eventually they said, "You can do whatever you want in interiors but we aren't doing it in the architecture group". So we had to create special autocad door blocks for interiors only that indicated swing on the ceiling plan.

It was incredibly annoying. I am an architect and can unequivocally say that the arrogance of architects knows no limit.

[Scott Womack]

It was incredibly annoying. I am an architect and can unequivocally say that the arrogance of architects knows no limit.

I'd say you may be as guilty as the others.:roll::wink:

IF the door families have been constructed correctly, this can easily be done in Revit. Personally, I did this to our door families, so the Electrical engineers can know where to place light switches, etc. I'll admit, that our interior's group has not actually made this request before.

[sarat]

IF the door families have been constructed correctly, this can easily be done in Revit. Personally, I did this to our door families, so the Electrical engineers can know where to place light switches, etc.


Why an architect DOESN'T show the door swing on the reflected ceiling plan has always baffled me.
It was incredibly annoying. I am an architect and can unequivocally say that the arrogance of architects knows no limit.


So how did you accomplish this? My door family's swing lines are symbolic lines and refuse to show up in the RCP - despite much prodding. Any tips would be helpful. I do not want to show the cut in the wall, but only the swing.

[Scott Womack]

So how did you accomplish this? My door family's swing lines are symbolic lines and refuse to show up in the RCP - despite much prodding. Any tips would be helpful. I do not want to show the cut in the wall, but only the swing.

The swing portion of the door, even as a symbolic line, needs to have its own sub-object category defined in the door family. Also, if you place an Invisible model line say 1 ft or so above the head of the door, and set the cut plane of the RCP to 6" above the door, then the door's symbolic lines should appear on the RCP, and you can turn off everything but that swing for the RCP, and make it half-tone to boot.

[sarat]

how does 'sub-object' differ from 'subcatagory'?
thanks for the response!

[sarat]

i have subcatagories for the lines...
elevation swing / [cut] and [projection]
door / [cut] and [projection]
frame/mullion / [cut] and [projection]
glass / [cut] and [projection]
opening / [cut] and [projection]
panel / [cut] and [projection]

none of these line show in the RCP, though are selected to show in VV.
The invible line tricks works though. thank you for that. I'll be spending some time with modifing linework.

[Studio Hero]

Hey all, I made a video to help show the steps on how you can show a door in a Reflected Ceiling Plan in Revit. Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgzPf3zt39Y