Calatrava's masterpiece

[goodpeace]

I'm very happy that I attempted Calatrava's masterpiece completely in Revit!
190 m soaring skyscraper with limtless soaring Revit...

[goodpeace]

And here is a short walkthrough...

http://us.share.geocities.com/dobsig/

[sfaust]

Awesome. I love Calatrava. Nice work. I couldn't get the walkthrough to work, but the images look great.

[papurajx]

Cannot open the walkthrough...Any problem loading it?

[ivsim]

The link has probably changed because it's now working......:)

[Arnel Aguel]

Very nice. I'm impressed.

Would you mind sharing the procedure how did you do that.

Thanks

[papurajx]

The link has probably changed because it's now working......:)

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[mmodernc]

This is why I got Revit in the first place. How did you do it.

[beegee]

Nice work !!!!

Love to see a rendering.....



I'm very happy that I attempted Calatrava's masterpiece completely in Revit!
190 m soaring skyscraper with limtless soaring Revit...

[ivsim]

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I got the same message NOW....but it used to open, was a 2 MB .AVI....no idea.....I've had it downloaded,....

[Martin P]

I'm very happy that I attempted Calatrava's masterpiece completely in Revit!
190 m soaring skyscraper with limtless soaring Revit...

Very nice! You may have inspired me to just have a go at something complex just for sake of learning how to do it :) How did you achieve the cylindrical external columns?

[goodpeace]

Very sorry for my disappearing...

The procedure is very simple, just Blend and Curtain System. When you have one floor (first image) you have almost the whole building. Every following floor is rotated and raised. The center of rotation is the center of the circle core of the skyscraper (the green cross). The walls of the floor are Curtain Systems by lines (first line is contour of the plan floor and the second line is the first line rotated about the green cross. It's the same with the external spiral column. The top of the blend is rotated circle of the bottom of the blend - again rotated about the green cross. Everything in this building is rotated about the green cross! That's it.

If you have greater difficulties with my english, tell me.

[Roger Evans]

Wonderful explanation Thanks... Tips & Tricks link I think ?

[ejburrell67787]

The procedure is very simple, just Blend and Curtain System. When you have one floor (first image) you have almost the whole building .
Very Impressive!! Just to clarify - so you modelled every floor one by one? How long did you spend on it?

Cheers, Elrond

[goodpeace]

Thanks for the good words.

Elrond, yes - one by one! But it takes 10 minutes to reach the 190-th meter once you've modelled only one floor. Let's say that you have it - the first floor of the first cube, then just copy it, rotate it and raise it to the second level. Repeat that 4 times and the first cube is done. Now take the cube, copy it, rotate it and raise it to the level of the second cube. Repeat that 8 times and that's it - the skyscraper is complete. Almost...

Calatrava loves the rhythm of repeating equal elements. He repeats and repeats and suddenly stops at the end without any change. The ending element is like each one of the group. You've noticed that Turning Torso consists of 9 parts (so called "cubes") which are completely one and the same. The last cube just ended the rhythm without any notice. Even the spiral column at the top was just cut off. A very strong Calatrava's feature.

[cadkiller]

Okay I gave it a try and so far so good; except when I got to the diagonal braces. I'm having trouble with getting a working plane established for these members.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[cadkiller]

Okay I figured out the diagonal members, by using walls to establish the work planes. I used the overlays and edited the profile of the wall to be sloped and created a plane from the top of that wall. Not such an easy task when you have so many different angles on a project. Is there an easier way to do this?

Another problem I have is with the massing that I created. I was able to create curtain walls by face; but when I go to create the other walls by face, I can't select the faces of the mass anymore. Also prior to creating the curtain walls, some mass when selected to create walls by face, selects the entire perimeter of the mass and some select individual faces. What happened and what am I doing wrong?

[trent59822]

Just out of curousity. How big was the file size? Lot's great work by the way.

[cadkiller]

I'm not sure who you're asking; but mine is up to about 11 MB's and that varies depending on if you save or save as. When I just save the file it is about 22 MB's and if I save as a different file name it gets reduced. Weird how this is different depending on how you save the file.

[trent59822]

The questions was direct for either. I was just interested how big something that scale would be. I'm sure as you add more detailing it would be crazy big. Thanks for the info.

[PeterJ]

The Freedom Tower guys have forged a set of guidelines for working on a comlpex tall building. Using linked files for different areas, using simple and complex families for elements that may not need to represent their complex form in all views (say simple in plan and section, complex in elevation and 3D) and swapping them in and out as required.

I guess a development of those guidelines would cover you, but still complex.

[goodpeace]

Glad to see that my explanation was being followed well!

I think my way is much easier:
Make a Detail Section of your horizontal brace ( the plane of the section must be perpendicular to the axis of the brace). Open the Detail View of that section and just draw a Reference Plane which goes through the intersection points of diagonal brace with horizontal ones. Once you have that Reference Plane, you have the Work Plane you need. The axis of diagonal brace lies on that Work Plane. Simple trigonometry.

I think I don't have such a problem with the massing.
Mine is 18 MB.

[Scott D Davis]

I'm not sure who you're asking; but mine is up to about 11 MB's and that varies depending on if you save or save as. When I just save the file it is about 22 MB's and if I save as a different file name it gets reduced. Weird how this is different depending on how you save the file.
When a file is open, the file size will be double. As soon as you close it, it will reduce to 50%.

[ejburrell67787]

Make a Detail Section of your horizontal brace ( the plane of the section must be perpendicular to the axis of the brace). Open the Detail View of that section and just draw a Reference Plane which goes through the intersection points of diagonal brace with horizontal ones. Once you have that Reference Plane, you have the Work Plane you need. The axis of diagonal brace lies on that Work Plane. Simple trigonometry..
Glad it is just simple trig.! :| Could you elaborate just a little more on generating the angle of the reference plane for the diagonal brace though?

1. Create detail section perpendicular to horizontal brace - got that.
2. Draw reference plane through centerline of horizaontal brace... got that... But where does the angle of the reference plane come from? Perhaps this would be clear if your screen shot showed the next horizontal brace down also?

Thanks for sharing your work and methods, it is great to see something so creative being doen in Revit! :)

Cheers, Elrond

[goodpeace]

Elrond,

You don't need that angle because we have two existing points (point A and point B, see images) which define accurately our straight line ("red" reference plane). In order to snap point B in detail view I create one more reference plane (the "green" one) through centre of circle section of the pipe, parallel to upper brace, drawn in floor plan view of lower brace.

So, to get a work plane for diagonal brace:

1. In floor plan view of lower brace draw a reference plane through the centre of circle section of the pipe, parallel to upper brace. (first image)

2. Create detail section perpendicular to upper brace.

3. In detail view draw "red" reference plane through point A and point B. Point A is centerline of upper brace. Point B is intersection of "green" reference plane with level of lower brace. (second image)

Good luck in the space orientation...

[ejburrell67787]

Elrond,

You don't need that angle because we have two existing points (point A and point B, see images) which define accurately our straight line ("red" reference plane). In order to snap point B in detail view I create one more reference plane (the "green" one) through centre of circle section of the pipe, parallel to upper brace, drawn in floor plan view of lower brace.
...
Good luck in the space orientation...
OK I think I got the hang of that!! Thanks a lot for explaining further! 8)

Cheers, Elrond

[email.72718]

These models are amazing!

My firm is just about to start using Revit. Is there anywhere I can see the model you made in Revit? I realize that a 11 or 22 MB file is a little unwieldy but I'm fascinated how you can use Revit to make buildings like this.

Thank you!

t.k.

[goodpeace]

So, you want the model ;-)
Ok, it's 19 MB - tell me where and I'll upload it to you.

[Wes Macaulay]

Hmm - you could put on our FTP server... I'll send you a PM on how.

[goodpeace]

Here it is the revit model:

http://s18.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2Z42VQ8EJWENY0WAWGPCTBSDO1

or

http://rapidshare.de/files/4478280/TT-goodpeace.rvt.html

I wanted to attempt only those elements which seem to be complex, nothing more. The file is 19,4 MB done in Revit 7.0

[Wes Macaulay]

Anyone else who would like this model can download it from our FTP server. PM or e-mail me for the login information... my e-mail is wm@pat.ca

The file is Revit 8.0 format.

[hdjohnson]

Does anyone still have this model? I would really like to see it.

[cadkiller]

I just uploaded it to my FTP site. Give it sometime for all of it to upload.
I also included the one I attempted to do, along with some videos and images I found on the internet.

Here is the log in info.


Host name- precisiondraftingllc.com

User Name- revit@precisiondraftingllc.com (revit@precisiondraftingllc.com)

Password- sharing

[hdjohnson]

Thank you!

[dhurtubise]

I'm getting it from you site, thanks a million for sharing and a HUGE thanks to the builder :-)

[Brian Myers]

Amazing model!!!!!

Here is a link to an article on the actual built structure:
http://www.arcspace.com/architects/calatrava/torso2/torso2.html

[winnwgomez]

Wow.. how did you get the truss to curve in ? and the structural modeling? could you offer some tips on the same?

thanks

[PaperStreet SoapCO]

I know this is a really old thread, but, does anyone still have this model? I seemed to have misplaced the Revit file I downloaded and now the FTP links posted here don't work anymore. If you have it, I would appreciate it if you could pass it along.

Thanks!

[cadkiller]

host: precisiondraftingllc.com
username: revit
password: 09revit!

[PaperStreet SoapCO]

Hey - I really appreciate you taking the time to do that. One question tho, do you happen to have the model that the original poster, goodpeace, had modeled as well?

Thanks,

[cadkiller]

I thought I already uploaded it.
I'm doing it now.

[nole]

Hi there!
Here is the RVT file: http://www.mediafire.com/?tidgxmmjljz

[goodpeace]

I see the interest is not dead.
Let's push the Render button in Revit...

[lhm]

Great Job. And it's made in revit 7. I'm impressed. Very impressed. It's amazing. Thank's a lot for the pictures of it. I've got a little problem with my english but i think you can understand me.