Railing on sloped floor

[kafka]

Hi All
I created a sloped floor modifying the edge points elevation ... I want this to be the host of a railing...but it seems railing on floor can just be planar!!! I want the railing to follow the sloped border of my floor....
is it possible with the railing tool?

Any smarted way to do this? I actually need just a squared profile as railing (no posts or balausters).

please see attached file

[iankids]

Hi Kafka,

I would generally use a curtain wall in this circumstance. Base of wall will attach to the floor and one can edit profile to suit what ever heights or slope you want on the top.

Cheers,

Ian

[kafka]

I actually try wit wall and curtain wall but the base won-attach and I can only edit the profile but it-s a nightmare as snaps on 3d view dont work well..
any other solutions?

[Mike Sealander]

I have been putting a very thin ramp object on top of the sloped floor, since ramps can host railings. You can subsequently hide the ramp, or use it as the "finish surface" of your sloped floor.

[RevitGary]

I have been trying to do a sloped curved ramp. See attachments.

One is an autocad plan of the parking garage ramp.
Note that the outside and inside shapes are not concentric.

One is close to what I want it was made with a very thin stair and the section shown as a rail.

Does anyone know how to get the shape I am trying to make?

Thanks

[Captainkb]

I actually try wit wall and curtain wall but the base won-attach and I can only edit the profile but it-s a nightmare as snaps on 3d view dont work well..
any other solutions?

IMO - You will need to use a (component, model in-place) solid sweep, because a sweep can select a 3D edge. (Floor edge). Use the pick tool and select the edge of the floor than create a profile or load one and finish.

[kafka]

IMO - You will need to use a (component, model in-place) solid sweep, because a sweep can select a 3D edge. (Floor edge). Use the pick tool and select the edge of the floor than create a profile or load one and finish.

Yes you're right it is probably the best solution!

[kafka]

although in section it doesnt look very nice... :( I tried with join/cut geometry but it doesnt work! see image

[kafka]

Moreover does anybody knows why If enable the section box it gets a weird result like some faces have been deleted??? see image...and file
very odd!

[Captainkb]

although in section it doesnt look very nice... :( I tried with join/cut geometry but it doesnt work! see image

I would use a masking region to hide the sloping portion of the profile that is into the slab.

[Captainkb]

Moreover does anybody knows why If enable the section box it gets a weird result like some faces have been deleted??? see image...and file
very odd!

Looks like a software bug to me when you pull the section box into the object. If you pull the section box out away from the object the faces come back into view.

[dpasa]

So, let me be the bad guy around here again... Everytime I read the word "workaround" I really get ungry because usually it is for things that should be there...
The 100% way would be to have a railing tool that could use everything as a host... That's what we would all need and want right? OK, we don't have it... But since they made sloped floors don't you think they should add something to the rail tool so that we don't have these problems? It is common sense for me... Since only 1-2 things can be hosts for railings, shouldn't it work properly?

[kafka]

But since they made sloped floors don't you think they should add something to the rail tool so that we don't have these problems? It is common sense for me... Since only 1-2 things can be hosts for railings, shouldn't it work properly?

I totally agree about this point and this has been fixed in the 2011 neither!

[kafka]

Looks like a software bug to me when you pull the section box into the object. If you pull the section box out away from the object the faces come back into view.

does it happen to you too? so i can exclude the graphics card/driver...

[Captainkb]

does it happen to you too? so i can exclude the graphics card/driver...

Yes it happens too me also.

[Paul Monsef]

So, let me be the bad guy around here again... Everytime I read the word "workaround" I really get ungry because usually it is for things that should be there...
The 100% way would be to have a railing tool that could use everything as a host... That's what we would all need and want right? OK, we don't have it... But since they made sloped floors don't you think they should add something to the rail tool so that we don't have these problems? It is common sense for me... Since only 1-2 things can be hosts for railings, shouldn't it work properly?
Sure, but if I had to wait for a few more releases before they can hammer out the railings - i'd be complaining about floor functionality.

I'll take the floor now and railing later. As long as it's not much too later.

[cliff collins]

I don't know if this will help, but you might take a look here also:

http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=117090

The waterslide was modeled with spiraling sloped floors and custom railing balusters
which were a "half tube" on each side of the floor.

cheers.......

[Captainkb]

So, let me be the bad guy around here again... Everytime I read the word "workaround" I really get ungry because usually it is for things that should be there...
The 100% way would be to have a railing tool that could use everything as a host... That's what we would all need and want right? OK, we don't have it... But since they made sloped floors don't you think they should add something to the rail tool so that we don't have these problems? It is common sense for me... Since only 1-2 things can be hosts for railings, shouldn't it work properly?

A few things to point out:

Railings are attached to stairs and ramps only. In real world situations also, I have never seen a railing on a sloping floor; I would call a sloping floor a ramp.

IMO a floor is flat, if you create a slope on a floor it becomes a ramp.

We are creating multiple sloping floors (to create a ramp) which is a great command that was created, and I agree with Revit not being able to attach railings to a warping floor.

What Revit needs is the ability to change a ramp into multiple pick points (similar to how the floors behave, and be able to warp and twist. I am wondering that the factory doesn't want to give ramps this functionality because railings would not behave correctly. The railing tools need help in itself prolly first before they can warp and slope with a ramp.

[cliff collins]

I agree.

The nomenclature in Revit does not always align with real world terminology.

That said, you could create the warped ramp in the Conceptual Massing envirnoment,
and then convert the faces to floors. The railing could be a bit of a problem?

The railing could also be created in the Conceptual Massing environment--
in the case of the car park ramp it is really a "wall" anyway, not a railing per se--
so a "wall" could be massed and then converted in the Project.

cheers......

[Captainkb]

I agree.

The nomencalture in Revit does not always align with real world terminology.

That said, you could create the warped ramp in the Conceptual Massing envirnoment,
and then convert the faces to floors. The railing could be a bit of a problem?

The railing could also be created in the Conceptual Massing environment--
in the case of the car park ramp it is really a "wall" anyway, not a railing per se--
so a "wall" could be massed and then converted in the Project.

cheers......

There are a fare amount of building items that you can't model as they are built...Kind of like driving a screw with a hammer....lol, You can drive a screw with a hammer, it just won't look pretty, but it gets the job done....

[benjdbs676097]

... A buggy rail CAN be seen on sloped floors as the project requires