Sweep profile with masking element?

[dzatto]

Okay Revit gurus, riddle me this (I'm sure it's easy for you brainiacs).

Check out the attached wall section. I need to create a sloped water table, but the brick is showing above it. It's not supposed to.

I guess I could unlock the layer and change it manually on EVERY wall. What a pain. Is there an easier way to accomplish this? Maybe embed a masked region in the profile?

[t1.shep]

I did this with a separate wall sweep (one that is not embedded in the wall type.) Maybe it works in the wall type as well though...?
To do this I made a profile that uses invisible lines to cut out the area above the brick, and it also has a nested detail component to show the section detail. You can see when I override the cut pattern and color that the area of brick above the sweep is not there (you can see the face of the material beyond.)

[dzatto]

I did this with a separate wall sweep (one that is not embedded in the wall type.) Maybe it works in the wall type as well though...?
To do this I made a profile that uses invisible lines to cut out the area above the brick, and it also has a nested detail component to show the section detail. You can see when I override the cut pattern and color that the area of brick above the sweep is not there (you can see the face of the material beyond.)
Looks like that's the way to go. I'll try it and see if it works as a sweep embedded in the wall. Thanks for the tip, I'll let you know how it works. :beer:

[dzatto]

Okay, how'd you do it? lol

I keep getting errors about closed loops and overlapping lines. How would I mask it? I'm not using a detail component for sections. I basically need the profile to show up correctly in 3D views and elevations.

[greg.mcdowell]

For something like this it might be better (at least in the long run if you're going to do this a lot) to embed the sweep and modify the opening in the window family.

[twiceroadsfool]

You can also load a profile and put a reveal in the wall type, thats what ive always done...

[cliff collins]

To clarify, I think what TRF means is the reveal will cut the brick out,
and the sweep will be the sloped sill, all in the wall type.

cheers.......

[dzatto]

For something like this it might be better (at least in the long run if you're going to do this a lot) to embed the sweep and modify the opening in the window family.
Problem is, this doesn't only happen at windows. It's a water table around the entire buildng.


You can also load a profile and put a reveal in the wall type, thats what ive always done...
aahh, so you can do a sweep and a reveal at the same time. I'll look into that. :beer:

[dzatto]

To clarify, I think what TRF means is the reveal will cut the brick out,
and the sweep will be the sloped sill, all in the wall type.

cheers.......
It says it can't cut the reveal for some reason. Can they share a common line?

Well, it seems to work for the basic wall, but when I put that into a stacked will it won't cut. Any ideas??

[cliff collins]

Yes--the lines overlapping is probably causing the error.

Perhaps---

You could build both the brick and sloped cap into the profile (or profiles), and remove the brick from the wall type, leaving just the CMU?

just a thought.

cheers

[dzatto]

Yes--the lines overlapping is probably causing the error.

Perhaps---

You could build both the brick and sloped cap into the profile (or profiles), and remove the brick from the wall type, leaving just the CMU?

just a thought.

cheers
Hmmm, but if it's one profile, how do I show 2 different materials? Or would it be 2 profiles but one sweep? That's probably what it would be.

[twiceroadsfool]

You cant specify two materials for one profile. You would need two. But ive done a thousand of those with the reveal to shear off that portion of brick. it works fine, as long as the reveal doesnt rip off the portion of wall where the origin of the sweep profile is. If it doesn, just modify your profiles so their origin is on a piece of wall that still exists.

[t1.shep]

Okay, how'd you do it? lol

I keep getting errors about closed loops and overlapping lines. How would I mask it? I'm not using a detail component for sections. I basically need the profile to show up correctly in 3D views and elevations.

The reason this "looks" right is because of the detail component...I've attached the profile without the detail component showing. by selecting that the profile cuts the host you'll get the shape to remove the area above the brick.But now I'm thinking about it and maybe this only only works at a window...and now that I'm looking at it...it really only "looks" correct...Sorry to mislead you.
Looking at the other responses...I would also suggest that you use two profiles, one that is the solid and one that is a reveal, but you'll have to make sure that they don't overlap.

[dzatto]

You cant specify two materials for one profile. You would need two. But ive done a thousand of those with the reveal to shear off that portion of brick. it works fine, as long as the reveal doesnt rip off the portion of wall where the origin of the sweep profile is. If it doesn, just modify your profiles so their origin is on a piece of wall that still exists.
worked like a charm. I have my block wall, and 2 profiles, one for the water table and one for the stone (just a huge rectangle lol). Looks great.

Thanks guys. I wonder how many beers that is that I owe you guys? lol :beer:

I reread your post, and it got me thinking. I bet that was the issue. I can't share origins. Got it!

[rkitect]

Since we got to talking about profile origins here, I thought this may be appropriate: http://revittotd.com/01/771

[dzatto]

Since we got to talking about profile origins here, I thought this may be appropriate: http://revittotd.com/01/771
Nothing like a little self promotion! :lol:

Thanks for the link, it's been added to my favorites bar. TotD . Now I have something to read every morning. :beer:

[dzatto]

Okay, got the wall profiles sorted out. Another problem:

I have 2 walls, one is the profile with stone and a wood stud with gyp on the interior, the other is the same but doesn't have the wood stud and gyp.

I'm having cleanup issues (see attachment). Any way around this?

[rkitect]

Now I have something to read every morning. :beer:

Unfortunately I've been slackin on the daily posts :( Too much going on with recent moves, addition to the family and.. other issues.

[rkitect]

I'm having cleanup issues (see attachment). Any way around this?

Try dragging the interior wall away from the ext wall, see if that cleans it up. If it does you can either try extending the interior wall back out to the ext wall or disallowing the int wall from joining, extend it to the int face of the ext walls and then using the join tool to clean up the material joins.

In my experience, this usually has something to o with the wall assembly, which layers are in the core and which are not as well as the Finish (4) vs Finish (3) layers.

[dzatto]

Try dragging the interior wall away from the ext wall, see if that cleans it up. If it does you can either try extending the interior wall back out to the ext wall or disallowing the int wall from joining, extend it to the int face of the ext walls and then using the join tool to clean up the material joins.

In my experience, this usually has something to o with the wall assembly, which layers are in the core and which are not as well as the Finish (4) vs Finish (3) layers.
Every time I drag the interior wall close to the exterior walls, it cleans up. It won't let me just but it up against it.

Oh I forgot to mention the interior wall is a third type, Haydock block with studs on one side. I wonder if that matters.

[rkitect]

Once you drag the wall away from the ext wall, right click the blue grab ball. You will have an option to disallow join. Once you do that, drag it back tot he int face of the wall and it will not join. Then use the join tool to join it to the ext wall.

My guess is that the assembly of the third wall is causing it to BREAK ON THROUGH, TO THE OTHER SIDE!!!

[dzatto]

Once you drag the wall away from the ext wall, right click the blue grab ball. You will have an option to disallow join. Once you do that, drag it back tot he int face of the wall and it will not join. Then use the join tool to join it to the ext wall.

My guess is that the assembly of the third wall is causing it to BREAK ON THROUGH, TO THE OTHER SIDE!!!
Holy wall edit batman! I've been wishing, since I moved from ACA, for a way to not join walls when you want to. ACA does it. And now I find Revit does it too.

Who would have ever thought to right click the blue dot? Geeze, I tell ya.......

Now I have an issue with the gyp and stud not cleaning up. I guess it's one or the other? I probably can't have it both ways.

[rkitect]

Can you
1) Send a model with just those wall types
-or-
2) post a ss of the wall assemblies that are not cleaning?

There is something with your assemblies that is preventing it from cleaning up.

[dzatto]

Can you
1) Send a model with just those wall types
-or-
2) post a ss of the wall assemblies that are not cleaning?

There is something with your assemblies that is preventing it from cleaning up.
Sure. Give me a sec.

Its the interior wall on the right side cleaning up with the 2 front walls.

[rkitect]

HAH! Of course you're going to make me pull out my laptop since they don't have 2011 on the work machines yet. Give me a few.

[rkitect]

Now I have an issue with the gyp and stud not cleaning up.

In what way? They are joining for me but you have a bold line at the end of the wall which can be taken care of with lineworks.

[dzatto]

In what way? They are joining for me but you have a bold line at the end of the wall which can be taken care of with lineworks.
Here it is in thin lines. The gyp and stud of the vertical wall don't clean up with the gyp and stud of the horizontal. See the attachments.
Also, I tried getting rid of the bold line with linework, but it wants to get rid of the entire line the full length of the wall.

Oh, and get 2011 loaded already! lol

[dzatto]

Geez, another question. I did a project earlier, and when I moved the exterior walls, the foundation stretched with it. Now it's not doing it. I have the slab on the first floor, and the walls base constrained to the first floor.

Oh wait, let me try the attach wall tool. I bet that's it. But it did it automatically last time. Did I miss something?

Nope, didn't work. WTH am I doing wrong?? lol

[rkitect]

Do this: http://screencast.com/t/NjA0NTk3N

Allow join on the wall.
IN A 3D VIEW oriented to top, tab select one of the base sections of the wall. You'll know it's selected when you see 2 grab points (check your status bar, it'll tell you what you're hovering over).
Drag the second grab point to the middle of the intersecting wall.

I believe the CMU will not clean because it is a different height than the intersecting CMU.

[dzatto]

Do this: http://screencast.com/t/NjA0NTk3N

Allow join on the wall.
IN A 3D VIEW oriented to top, tab select one of the base sections of the wall. You'll know it's selected when you see 2 grab points (check your status bar, it'll tell you what you're hovering over).
Drag the second grab point to the middle of the intersecting wall.

I believe the CMU will not clean because it is a different height than the intersecting CMU.
You , sir, are a freakin' genius. Thanks for taking the time to help me out.

It may also have to do with the fact that I added 2 rows of block accent to the exterior walls, along with the stone and water table profile. The center wall is just a plain ol' block wall.

Wow, I owe so many people beer I'm losing track. :lol: