Recessed Windows and Doors

[bob.86982]

I want to recess my exterior windows and doors 2" from the outside face of the wall and have a 2" radius on the edge of the wall opening that rolls into the face of the window at the outside edge of the trim.

Does anyone know how to go about this.

[rjcrowther]

Having not done it, I can only go on theory.

Recessing the windows is easy, that is done in the family. I would nest the window into a window family and put a parameter to a reference plane that is recessed from the front face of the wall. You do not have to nest but I would as it goes with the next paragraph.

The radius is interesting. My thinking is to have a section of ‘wall’ in the window family as well. The ‘wall’ would be 2 inches larger then the window and that would contain the radius. The ‘wall’ would also be nested into the window family.

Part of this is aligning things to sit nicely in the window opening that is a default aspect of the window family template.

So, a parent window family with 2 componenets nested into it.

Regards,
Rob

[Scott Womack]

I agree with Rob. However, I would use the default window template, and build the window family. I'd them build a void in the family that cuts the wall edges in the arc you want. When this is placed, it will cut the project wall the window is placed in.

[rjcrowther]

I agree with Rob. However, I would use the default window template, and build the window family. I'd them build a void in the family that cuts the wall edges in the arc you want. When this is placed, it will cut the project wall the window is placed in.

Yes I agree that would work and is probably neater then my method.

[bob.86982]

Thanks guys, i'll try this. One thing I didn't mention is that recessed trim face at the top of the window will have an eyebrow (radius) top with a radius that vavies depending on the window width so that height of the radius is uniform for all widths. I guess this will also work with the void concept.

This is a detail I've used BR (before revit) and it looks very good in a stucco wall with the stucco rolling back to the trim. The wall is 2x6 with the window set in 2x4 nailers flush with the inside face of the wall.

[bob.86982]

I tried to make the void to cut the edges and got a warning that a family cannot have an opening and a cut in the same host.

[cliff collins]

Can you put the void in a nested family inside the main window family?

just a thought.....

cheers

[bob.86982]

ok, I eliminated the opening cut created a void extrusion for the opening and a void sweep for the recessed edges. Now if I can just work my way through the other elements of this detail. I'll probably have more questions before this is done.

[bob.86982]

now I'm not able to make two voids, one flat extrusion at the bottom face of the recessed trim, and the other, the radius sweep cut at the edge of the first cut. It will make one cut but when I try to make the second it says can't make cut.

[mthurnauer]

I have done this on a project and it works fine, but you cannot use the void method if the window is to be hosted on a curved wall.

[bob.86982]

No curved walls. Can you explain the process you used.

[greg.mcdowell]

[SIZE=2]The radius is interesting. My thinking is to have a section of ‘wall’ in the window family as well. The ‘wall’ would be 2 inches larger then the window and that would contain the radius. The ‘wall’ would also be nested into the window family.

Rather than add another element to the family, delete the default opening and create your own with a series of voids. The curve could be a swept void around the opening.

[bob.86982]

That's what I was trying to do but it won't let me make the sweep void. It seems to be a problem with it touching the square edge extrusion void. I'm trying to make three voids, the one for the window opening through the intire wall, then the extrusion void 2-1/4" deep with square edges and a radius top, and then the sweep void following the edge of the extrusion void but when I try to cut that void it will nor cut.

[cliff collins]

Perhaps post an example so we can try to solve it......

cheers

[twiceroadsfool]

I think youre experiencing a flaw in Revit that wont let it cut/join two pieces of coplaner geometry. its an ugly bug that crops itself up in a LOT of models built with Pick 3D lines (even with 100% certainly that said lines are coplaner), and that it cannot join certain forms (again, when there is 100% certainty that said forms are coplaner). moving them out of plane a fraction works, validating that it is the problem, but then everything looks wrong.

Ive filed 2 Support requests this year about it, and id advise everyone else to do the same, if that is indeed the problem.

[bob.86982]

I finally made it work. On the sweep void I had to make the radius not tangent at the two 90 deg. faces of the opening. I other words I flattened out the curve slightly so it wasn't a true quarter circle where it rolls in to the recessed trim. That allowed it to work and it looks ok.

Anyone know why it would not cut a void that was a true quarter circle?