Salvaged furniture

[dgosnell]

We are starting design on a mid-sized institutional project. The client wants to remove and store furniture during the demo phase, then re-install it in a new location after construction is complete. There will also be new furniture installed in some areas. We want the re-used furniture to show as 'existing' (i.e. halftone) in the furniture plans and the new furniture to show as 'new' (i.e. black). Any ideas on how to accomplish this?

[cliff collins]

Use Phases in Revit.

Place all the existing furniture on the Existing Phase.

Place all new furniture on the New Construction Phase.

Revit's Phases have default Graphics settings, which you can change as you like.
For instance, anything on the existing Phase can show as light grey or halftone.
Anything on the New const. Phase can show as black, etc.

Do a search in Revit Help, and on this Forum on Phases.

cheers

[dgosnell]

I don't think I did a very good job of explaining the problem in my previous post. The "existing" furniture will need to be inserted in the model in in two different locations (i.e. the current location and the location it needs to be moved into once remodeling is complete). This will cause problems in our demo plans (with the new furniture locations showing up).

Dave

[patricks]

You could do it with filters. Make separate families for the re-used furniture, with some common parameter between all of them (let them all have reused in the type name, or in the comments or something). Then set up a filter to pick up all elements with that common parameter. Apply the filter to the view and set it to halftone, or whatever gray color you used for existing elements. So the phase created will show as new, but the filter will override the graphics to make it look existing.

[DoTheBIM]

No good way to show the same object in two different locations. May require the the use of phases, links, & options all at once to make it have a BIM feel. But probably easier to just use options... I'm guessing. Still two diffferent objects to revit (2 instances) but is the same family vs. having a one 'existing' family & one 'existing relocated' family.

[patricks]

No good way to show the same object in two different locations. May require the the use of phases, links, & options all at once to make it have a BIM feel. But probably easier to just use options... I'm guessing. Still two diffferent objects to revit (2 instances) but is the same family vs. having a one 'existing' family & one 'existing relocated' family.

I wouldn't use 2 separate families, and probably not even 2 different types of the same family. I would just use 2 instances of the same family and put "Existing" in the comments field of the ones on the new phase that represent the existing relocated families. That way you're still using the same family and same family type for both instances.

Yes, if you do a Select All Instances for the entire project, it will show twice as many (or more) instance of that family than what you would have in reality, but as long as the ones in the existing locations are demolished, and the ones in the new location have something in Comments or another field to differentiate between actual brand new instances, they'll still schedule correctly... provided your schedule is set up correctly, of course. :mrgreen:

[aggockel50321]

Might be just as easy to add a shared project parameter to the furniture category, and just tag the stuff new or recycled. It would give you a scheduling filter also.

[dgosnell]

Patrick and Andrew, I will try your technique. That was the only way I could think of doing it, too. I just didn't want to pre-dispose anyone to that solution if there was a better one out there. Thanks, that should do the trick!

[ron.sanpedro]

We are starting design on a mid-sized institutional project. The client wants to remove and store furniture during the demo phase, then re-install it in a new location after construction is complete. There will also be new furniture installed in some areas. We want the re-used furniture to show as 'existing' (i.e. halftone) in the furniture plans and the new furniture to show as 'new' (i.e. black). Any ideas on how to accomplish this?

I would use the same family for everything, and use the comments to separate things out. Place all the existing furniture in an Existing view. Go thru and select all furniture that will be saved and give it a comment of Save for Reuse. Change that furniture only to New, place some more "really new" furniture and then use a filter to manage the graphics in a New plan. I might also use a filter to hide the E furniture that is not being saved, rather than deleting it, or putting it off to the side is another option. That way it is still there if you need to grab another for reuse.
You can schedule and get a count of really new vs reused pretty easily as well. Your count of Existing is going to be short the reused items.
For a full service move coordination, I would actually place all the existing furniture in real locations, and use an inventory to ID what gets saved. You can then have a Furniture Management Plan where the existing Save to Reuse is perhaps red and printed in color, to ensure that the movers get the right stuff stored. Then do all new furniture, with the appropriate amounts set for Reuse, and again filtered for graphics. A couple of furniture schedules, one showing only Existing Saved and one showing New Saved lets you verify that the saved count is the same, or at least that the existing outnumbers the new. You can also add a parameter for Move ID, and actually manage what gets saved and where it goes in the new configuration, which can then help things go into storage in the right last in, first out order. I have done this where it is important to get reused items like chairs back to the original user.

Gordon

[mthurnauer]

we just did this on a project and we used an equipment tag to mark each item. They show up in their current location on the existing plan and then we placed the same furniture on the new phase, all with the same tags and then we created a schedule so you could add additional information like you say, For example, you could have a column that would indicate if an item is to be salvaged or just removed.