2011 V/G Filter on Linked Model Elements

[bwinterscheidt]

I've read many blogs and posts here that say this is possible in this version, but I can't get it working.

I have:

1) Linked 2011 Arch/Struct/MEP models
2) Some items copy/monitored.
3) V/G Filters applied to building sections as follows:
a) various categories selected to apply the filter to
b) parameter: [none] - I want every object of those categories, so a parameter and value are irrelevant.
c) filters applied to views, overriding Cut Lines, and Cut Fill, color, pattern, etc.
4) V/G Linked models set to "Custom" with everything set to "By Host View" except for Annotation, which is hidden altogether.

Works great on everything in my model. Works on NOTHING in the linked models, OR objects that are copy/monitored from the linked models.

[twiceroadsfool]

I've read many blogs and posts here that say this is possible in this version, but I can't get it working.

I have:

1) Linked 2011 Arch/Struct/MEP models
2) Some items copy/monitored.
3) V/G Filters applied to building sections as follows:
a) various categories selected to apply the filter to
b) parameter: [none] - I want every object of those categories, so a parameter and value are irrelevant.
c) filters applied to views, overriding Cut Lines, and Cut Fill, color, pattern, etc.
4) V/G Linked models set to "Custom" with everything set to "By Host View" except for Annotation, which is hidden altogether.

Works great on everything in my model. Works on NOTHING in the linked models, OR objects that are copy/monitored from the linked models.

Parameter <null> is probably different in each file. Try setting it to a real parameter, with contains, and something generic like a "Space."

Filtering through linked files 100% certifiably works fine in 2011, so theres something in your criteria the linked files dont like.

[bwinterscheidt]

I've tried several param/values with no change:

Workset does not equal "Shared Levels and Grids"

Family name does not begin with "."

Area is greater than 0.00 SF

etc.



Model was upgraded from 2010 if that can have an impact?

[chris.macko125036]

I've noticed this too for certain views. I have a fire rating plan on a file with a linked in model that applies a hatch pattern to rated walls by the fire rating parameter and halftones any with a - in that fileld. It works great with the walls in the model, but only the halftone filter works on the linked model. it seems that revit recognizes that the walls are different, but it will not apply the filter cut pattern. My solution was to set up the same filters in a view in the linked file and use by linked view.

[twiceroadsfool]

By Linked View will work, but if youre talking about a lot of views and a lot of Filters, its not practical to make a consultant go through their whole project creating special views for you.


I've tried several param/values with no change:
Workset does not equal "Shared Levels and Grids"
Family name does not begin with "."
Area is greater than 0.00 SF
etc.

Model was upgraded from 2010 if that can have an impact?

It shouldnt matter. Mine are upgraded Projects as well. Can you post a screen shot of your VG:Filters tab?

[bwinterscheidt]

Screenshot attached. I tried to capture what I anticipated would be the next few questions as well.

I did notice that the COPY/MONITORED items *are* displaying properly, contrary to my initial post. They were just obscured by the linked model objects, which are not behaving properly.

[bwinterscheidt]

By Linked View will work, but if youre talking about a lot of views and a lot of Filters, its not practical to make a consultant go through their whole project creating special views for you.

Ultimately, we're talking about every building section, quite a few plans, and 4 or 5 separate consultants. I don't think this is going to be seen as a reasonable option on this project. ;)

But, good to know for the future...

[twiceroadsfool]

Post a screen shot of your VG: Filters tab, and i may be able to help. It works perfectly over here.

[bwinterscheidt]

Post a screen shot of your VG: Filters tab

Scroll up a couple posts...

[twiceroadsfool]

Okay. Another random question: If you want all objects in those categories, why not just do it through VG: Model and VG:RVT Link (which is defaulted to By Host View if youre not customizing it) instead of through the Filter?

On the Filter note: It evidently doesnt like the "Open Ended" criterion that youve provided. I tried a similar result here and it also does not work. However, setting up a more tangible Filter criteria is able to select and alter elements in my Linked file consistantly.

Given that, if youre looking to change ALL of certain categories in the Link, i would just go with the Model Category overrides for the Linked File.

[bwinterscheidt]

why not just do it through VG: Model and VG:RVT Link ... instead of through the Filter?

Good question... Before we discovered View Templates, a single filter was much easier to manage across dozens of views than dozens of category overrides across dozens of views. Using View Templates, it may not really matter any more. The filter is probably just a carryover from our older workflow, with perhaps a bit more flexibility (sections *and* plans!) and single-point of editing for categories to be added/removed.

I'll give straight VG:Model overrides in the view templates a try and see if I get better results.



Out of curiosity on the filter, can you share what general types of criteria have been working for you? As I said, I've tried several variations (granted, all rather open-ended) but none have worked. Just wondering what the magic threshold in specificity might be....

[twiceroadsfool]

My SWAG (totally a guess), is that its because youre trying to leave the fields blank, but that doesnt explain why Area doesnt work. But im not sure "Area" is the same parameter for all objects, although it would appear so, since it works in your native file.

I use Equal To, contains, Is greater than, less than, Does not contain, etc... All with great success. Ive got about twenty filters in every view by default.

BTW, keep this in mind:

You can do the VG: Model categories of JUST the linked file, if you want, if you go in the VG: RVT Link : Custom button.

Also keep in mind, you can STILL use a View tempalte for this, and have it apply ONLY the VG:RVT Link tab, as long as youre not using By Linked View on any of those views.

[bwinterscheidt]

For whatever reason even V/G model overrides (host view *or* by link) without the filter do NOT impact the linked files...

:(



I'll have to set up another project and see if it is something unique to these models, these consultants, or a complete fluke.

[nancy.mcclure]

Resurrecting this old thread, because I'm noticing similar 'why won't it work?' stuff using filters across a linked file:

Columns from the structural model have a cut pattern we don't want. Trying to override and use a color legend to assist coordination.

Filters applied to Columns/Structural Columns, with no other criteria, DO override Cut Lines, but when a solid color is set for Cut Pattern, the columns are applied a solid WHITE pattern. Trying to set the pattern to ANYTHING results in solid WHITE.

So what's particularly annoying is that the filter Cut Pattern SEEMS to be working, just not working correctly per our color/fill pattern selection.

Anyone have some insight? Thanks!

[cr_gixxer]

I as well, am having the same issue with the visibility of linked walls cut patterns not showing up. I agree that filters may work, but will be too cumbersome to deploy.
What I find strange is that in the linked structural model is set up to be a solid grey cut pattern (as structural wants for their drawings), and reads as such in our building section.our plan however reads as white. I can't find any difference between the two view templates though.