RST 2011 - The tale of two different framing elevations

[myBIMhero]

I have 2 different masses in a building. One is on a W-E direction (yellow highlight) and the other on a NW-SE direction (red arrow). They are both the same wall type and all instance properties are the same. For some reason, the walls on the angle are showing the section cut pattern ( bad) when we want it to show the surface pattern (good elevation).

Another odd thing is that the very bad elevation is showing the correct surface pattern but it's randomly missing lines. This happens in the elevations using the cut pattern as well.

I have compared every instance of all 8 CMU walls and they are all the same. Please see attached jpgs. Any ideas is greatly welcomed. Thanks.

[scowsert]

I have 2 different masses in a building. One is on a W-E direction (yellow highlight) and the other on a NW-SE direction (red arrow). They are both the same wall type and all instance properties are the same. For some reason, the walls on the angle are showing the section cut pattern ( bad) when we want it to show the surface pattern (good elevation).

Another odd thing is that the very bad elevation is showing the correct surface pattern but it's randomly missing lines. This happens in the elevations using the cut pattern as well.

I have compared every instance of all 8 CMU walls and they are all the same. Please see attached jpgs. Any ideas is greatly welcomed. Thanks.

What does it look like if you right click on the view and duplicate. Does the new one show up the same?

[FOUTJM]

are there duplicate elements(walls, etc) in the same place? or a linked model with a wall on top of that one.sometimes you will get display problems when two faces are directly on top of one another in almost every 3d program. there is a word for it, cant remember it off hand. not seeing the masses you elude to.

[FOUTJM]

also you may be seeing teh cut pattern in the one wall because you used an elevation and set the work plane to be the grid? which may be in the center of the wall? if you click the head of the elevation marker you get the extents for the view in the plan, which can be pulled out of the wall.

[scowsert]

also you may be seeing teh cut pattern in the one wall because you used an elevation and set the work plane to be the grid? which may be in the center of the wall? if you click the head of the elevation marker you get the extents for the view in the plan, which can be pulled out of the wall.

I bet that's exactly the problem. They symbols look like brace framing elevations hence on grid, hence right on the face of the wall. Like you mentioned pull it back a little bit.

[myBIMhero]

Thanks so much for your replies!

-I copied the views and they still misbehaved
-the architects model was unloaded and there are no double walls.
-the associated datum is the grid line which is also the face of the wall (this is also case for FE's that work)
-the depth is 6" - same as the good views

When I tried to slide the extents of the view in more - it comepletely detached itself from the grid line and was skewed and locked in at a slight angle from the wall/grid line. When i tried it with the elevatiosn that work, they slid nicely along the grid line without any movement.

It is possible that the architect set up their walls on a different work plane. They walls were then rotated slightly prior to hand off to the structural engineer. I think the elevations are trying to asscoaite with some old reference plane.

I think the best thing is to create an elevation and use visibility graphics as a work around. At least I know it's the datum but to fix it is not worth the time.

Thanks again.

[dhurtubise]

Would you be outside the 20 miles radius by any chance?