Wall sweeps not b

[jameswest77]

So, with this wall sweep type set to not be Cut by Inserts, it looks like this:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_lzQjZTmJbsY/Td0hDMbk7gI/AAAAAAAAHp4/DHsDSZ1cIWE/wall%20sweep1.jpg

But with Cut by Inserts turned on, it looks like this:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_lzQjZTmJbsY/Td0hDdEQtMI/AAAAAAAAHp8/ngQ3YZp26jU/wall%20sweep2.jpg

What I want it to look like is like this (with Cut by Inserts off), but without the line that's formed when the two blue dot handles are dragged on top of each other:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_lzQjZTmJbsY/Td0hDvWSppI/AAAAAAAAHqA/IZKPZb5UMd4/s576/wall%20sweep3.jpg

obviously, the problem is the cut opening is lining up with the top of the band, but isn't there a more elegant, simpler solution than manually dragging all the handles?

Thanks,
James

[jameswest77]

Admin, could you please rename the subject of the thread, "Wall sweeps behaving poorly"? Thanks.

[arqt49]

Have you tried the return option?
Wall sweeps don´t behave poorly. They do horizontal and vertical profiles along walls, but that´s just it.

[jameswest77]

Thanks for your response. I have tried the return option. It works great in specific conditions, but not in the case I described. I want the wall sweep to continue, unabated, across windows w/o being broken. With Cuts by Inserts checked, you don't even get the little blue dot handles at the ends of the sweep where it's being cut by a window and so the Modify Returns trick won't work. The sweep looks like it's being broken by a window, but it's behaving like it isn't. With Cuts by Inserts unchecked, you do get the blue dots because the sweep is behaving as though it is being cut by the window, but I don't want to apply an angled return because I want the sweep to continue in a straight line. The Straight Cut return option isn't available because the sweep is a straight line.

[arqt49]

Here is another approach:
Instead of creating the windows family with a standard opening profile, try using a void to cut the wall.
Note that the void must be lock to the exterior face of the wall.
I think that will do the trick.

[jameswest77]

Here is another approach:
Instead of creating the windows family with a standard opening profile, try using a void to cut the wall.
Note that the void must be lock to the exterior face of the wall.
I think that will do the trick.

yes, you are right. I did notice that the one weird Nana Door family we have is built with voids instead of the typical opening cut worked properly with wall sweeps.

Of course, we have dozens of window and door families and I'm not about to replace the opening cuts w/ voids just as a work around.

Out of the box windows and doors are built with opening cuts, how did autodesk expect wall sweeps to behave with windows & doors w/ their own, default, opening cuts? The sweeps don't seem to visually be any different when they pass a window or door whether their type option is set to Cut by Inserts or not, which makes me feel like I'm doing something wrong.

[jameswest77]

Anyone else run into this problem or know of a reasonable work-around?

[sbrown]

Build the sill portion of the sweep into the window family, then have the sweeps stop and start at both sides. You'll most likely have a joint there anyway.

[jameswest77]

Build the sill portion of the sweep into the window family, then have the sweeps stop and start at both sides. You'll most likely have a joint there anyway.

good idea, except using that method will result in the same solution as shown in the third image, except the joint will be right at the window sill. With the wall sweep Cut at Inserts option off, I can position that cut line anywhere I want, including at the edge of what would be the sill. So, it would appear the same.

My question was, however, how to accomplish a wall sweep passing across a traditionally-made window (with an opening cut) w/o showing a cut line. That's the clean look I'm going for and I'm more than a little perplexed that it doesn't seem possible considering it should be the most desirable.

Thanks,
James

[patricks]

Your wall sweep in the first pic stops at the window opening because the origin point of your sweep profile intersects with or otherwise touches the window opening in the window family. Change your sweep profile so that the origin is at the bottom point of the profile, reload, and adjust the height setting of your sweep (it will have to come down by the height of the sweep) and then it should run on past.

[jameswest77]

that sounds like it'll work! makes sense. I figured I just wasn't doing something right. I'll give this a shot.

Thanks!