Gutter Problem

[Arnel Aguel]

Hi guys i have this project in the office that gives me a headache. I'm trying to model a gutter in the front entry of a house where the horizontal gutter will connect to the incline part (rake). No matter what i do it just won't connect and miter.

I've end up finishing the project back in ADT 3.3 and link to viz. Anyway i still want to know the solution in revit.

By the way how can i upload an image? I followed the instruction but the link for the uploaded image is not working.

[beegee]

Fascias and gutters will not mitre correctly from horizontal to inclined, if created from the same profile using host sweep.

Best solution is to either use an in-place sweep for the whole gutter or just the inclined part.

To upload an image, check that you have sufficient space left in your quota ( 5 MB is the tital limit ). Then check that the file type is allowed. ( jpeg, pdf, rvt etc ). Clicking on your user name will take you to the " user attachment control panel "

[gregcashen]

Just curious why you would want a gutter going "up" the rake. Doesn't water usually flow downhill and thus would find the valley and make its way to the eave thataway, so that a rake gutter is unnecessary?

[beegee]

If you take a planar roof and cut it in plan at an angle to the eaves / ridge, you will need a gutter along that cut edge ( which we call the barge in oz ) which falls from the ridge to the eaves. Of course, you will still have one horizontally along the fascia- eaves line as well.

[Arnel Aguel]

I can show you the example of the project i have done guys but damn i can't get it right uploading the image.

Beegee i haven't uploaded any image yet so file upload limit is definitely not a problem and i'm supposed to attach a jpg file. Anybody would be kind enough to explain the right procedure uploading an image.


Thanks

[beegee]

When you are in the "post a reply" window, you will see the Attachment Posting Control Panel below. Click on the button "Add an Attachment", and a dialogue box opens below. Click on the "browse" button and browse to the path/file name, where you have previously saved the image, select it and this path / file name will now be displayed in the Filename box. Click Submit.

Good luck.

[Arnel Aguel]

Here is the project started with revit but unfortunately finished with ADT 3.3 and Viz mainly because of the problematic gutter.

[beegee]

Very nice too.

Yes, I'd try the sweep mentioned above to get that result.

[Arnel Aguel]

Thanks beegee,

This in-place sweep that you mentioned does this work like lofting in max/viz whereby you have to define the path at the exact location then select the profile to use?

[beegee]

Yes, basically ( But I know little about max or his sister, viz ).

Define the 2D path then either draw or load a profile to be swept along that path.

I think theres a tutorial on it in the families tutorials.

[Martin P]

Here is the project started with revit but unfortunately finished with ADT 3.3 and Viz mainly because of the problematic gutter.

very nice image, where was it rendered? we have viz in our office but nobody uses it... is it a fairly simple task to get materials applied to an exported revit project? by the look of that I think i will install viz on my machine and start having a play with it.

[Arnel Aguel]

Martin it's not that really difficult but you have to do some preparation on the layering names and color id assignment unlike in ADT 3.3 it is already automatic all subcomponents of the object has its own color id assignment that makes it easy to assign multi sub-object material in Viz. (There is a whitepaper regarding viz linking included in the revit installation found under documents if i'm not mistaken)

This is one of my wishlists for revit 6.0 to have an automatic color id assignment for each sub-component. Even if viz render will be included in revit 6.0 i still prefer to link it to viz as the quality of rendered images are far more realistic compare with viz render or accurender.

[sohocad]

Great image....how did you do the ridge??

[Arnel Aguel]

That was done in viz using lofting then exported as dwg back to ADT for construction documentation.

[PeterJ]

That's a pity, ridge tiles etc are one of the things I find most difficult in Revit. I had hoped you had a handy hint that didn't involve another £5,000 worth of software.

As for Greg's question, the reason here to have an inclined gutter is purely one of consistency of detail when you look at the elevation and it seems to me that the pressed alumimium gutter, or whatever it is, gives a good eaves detail.

[Arnel Aguel]

Yes, I'd try the sweep mentioned above to get that result.


Hi beegee, i've tried the in-place sweep tutorial and it seems to work with those kind of geometry. I only have one problem though regarding the in-place sweep tutorial there seems to be a cut or line at the profile/ref. plane location even in shaded mode. When i try to move the profile at the start point to eliminate the line the sweep will not be correct. I even tried moving the reference plane prior to sketching the profile but it won't move.

Any thought on this?

[beegee]

Does the linework tool work on it ?

[Arnel Aguel]

Beegee i'm referring to the in-place sweep tutorial in revit.

Did anyone notice this flaw in the in-place sweep tutorial. I'm referring to the line/cut at the profile and ref plane location which is visible even in shaded mode.

This in-place sweep thing actually works like lofting in max/viz but in max/viz its very clean and a lot of other options that can be done. You can even attach several profiles at different segment of the path.

[beegee]

Yes, there is a line that shouln't be there, but just place the linework tool , set to invisible line, over it and its fixed.

[Arnel Aguel]

Does the linework tool work on it ?


It does work beegee but you have to edit for all the views that you want it to be displayed without those odd lines in your drawings or model. Is there any other way to do this just once and without using the lineworks tool?

[beegee]

The problem with the original file is that the junction of the curved wall does not align properly with the flat wall. This creates a small lip, which is reproduced in the sweep and creates a visible line.

I edited the wall elevation and now the sweeps works properly.

Is this the same problem you are experiencing with the gutter ?

[Arnel Aguel]

Is this the same problem you are experiencing with the gutter ?

Not really, i haven't tried the in-place sweep yet to those type of component. Anyway thanks to all you replies beegee.

[Arnel Aguel]

The in-place sweep works well for the gutter without any problem.

Thanks beegee