Phasing - Elements of Future phases affecting earlier ones

[Andrew Dobson]

Dear All,

I'm having some odd problems with phasing in RAC 2011.

For the first time, I'm working on a project with two proposed phases (a shell contract and a fit out contract) rather thank just Existing and New Construction.

I'm getting some strange results with the outline of elements added in later phases appearing in earlier ones.

The screen shot example show the existing phase with windows selectable, but not visable which are not created until the proposed phase.

Has anyone else experienced similar problems with phasing?

Thanks

[DaveP]

What are the Phase and Phase Filter set to in that View?
You're most likely going to want the Phase set to New Construction and the Phase Filter set to Show Previous + New
My guess is your Filter is set to Show Complete

[Andrew Dobson]

Phase filter is set to Previous and New as you suggest.

The issue is that outlines of objects that are created in a future phase are getting shown in the previous phase.

For example, if a window is created in a later phase, the earlier phase shows the outline of the window, before it is created. The outline is selectable, but it is just an outline, there is no actual window and the brick that is to be removed is still there. The outline also print in elevations, which is very confusing.

My second screen shot attached shows what my elevations look like.

Anyone else have these odd problems on Revit 2011?

[patricks]

Check your Phase Filter settings. Ensure that for Show Previous + New, that Temporary and Demolished items are set to not be displayed.

[hworrell]

I'm having the same issue - we have some standard elements (a group) on a future phase and it is set to a future phase, but the 'outline' of the group is showing up on the earlier phases. Its not so bad, but when I don't have my crop view on and do Zoom Extents, the extents are to where the group is and I can select it...(and eventually people delete it)...

I have other similar groups that are not behaving this way, and I have deleted it and reinserted it and can't understand why it is showing up at all...

http://screencast.com/t/gD9eqQgYr - video of what is happening...

Are there certain elements that would be making this happen?

My current fix is to put these elements on a workset that is off by default in all views...but would like to have a real fix.
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Not that this answers your question - but I found that one of my wall types in the group had a reveal in it (in the family). The minute I deleted the reveal from the wall type, the group stopped showing up in the past phases.

I think this might be a bug in the program, if I add reveals to other wall types, I get the same thing happening...

[rosskirby]

I believe the problem you're having is that the windows in the new phase are demolishing an opening for themselves in the previous phase, which creates and automatic infill element of the same type that is being cut (the wall, in this case).

Technically, what is shown is not totally incorrect. If you're putting in a new window, it will need to have an opening cut, right? So you should be demolishing that portion of the wall where the new window will go. In your "existing" drawings, try joining the infill wall with the rest of the wall to see if that will get the outline to go away. Otherwise you'll have to use the linework tool.

[ttiefenbach]

Sorry to reopen an older post here, but, I'm having this same issue where future doors and windows are effecting my previous phase. I have to disagree with the idea that my future phased window would be creating demolition in my current phase, because the demolition is in the future phase when the window is added, NOT the current phase. I can prove that by using the phase filter of Previous+Demo and NOT seeing that wall at all in the current phase and then seeing the demolition of the opening in the future phase's Previous+Demo view.

Beyond that issue, I'm having an issue where a wall in my current phase is being chopped/broken by walls in the future, see attached screen capture. Is the only way to fix this issue to break the future wall on either side of the current phase wall? I unjoined the geometry and rejoined it in the correct sequence and that fixed this issue

[hworrell]

How many phases do you have in your project and when are you adding doors?

For your second issue, I have not encountered that. What are your phase filters set to?

Maybe if you post your model, some of us can see what is happening...

I will tell you that after I sent in a support request to autodesk on my issue with reveals from future phases "showing up/selectable" in previous phases, they indicated that this is an issue and will be working on a fix for it. Voids and phasing seem to be a known issue with Revit.

-heather-

[ttiefenbach]

I fixed the second issue with regards to the wall joining improperly bu unjoining the wall and then joining them again in the correct order. It was because I had drawn the future phased walls first, then added the other wall in a previous phase. No worries.

I'm working on a test project, just to demonstrate phasing, and saw the door issue in a model where I have 4 total phases. though it really doesn't matter how many, even if it's "Existing" and "New Construction" it does the same with the door that's being demo'd in a future phase is creating an previous phase infill, even though it shouldn't. it's not a filter problem or a phase problem, it's a Revit problem. I'll go ahead and submit this one to Autodesk so they know I'm having the issue too, and hopefully, with enough nagging, they'll see this as an issue to correct in a future version.

[ttiefenbach]

I was able to get rid of the outline. My default template has no material associated with Walls in the Object Styles. By making the default material Default Wall, the infill cleaned up nicely with the wall.

Phasing wise, Revit is incorrectly phasing the demolition, but at least this way, the graphics are correct.