How do you handle ASK's

[cr_gixxer]

What do you do to handle asks during the CA phase?

dependent views?
callouts?
something else?

I keep the same model as I move into the construction admin phase. I make new 11x17 sheets which allows me to track tall my ask's in the project browser. I hate having to redraw all the detail if I choose a callout view, I hate dependent views since I don't want to alter the master view if I am doing something like a partial floor plan and I can't alter grid bubble positions or something like that without affecting the master. I also don't want to delete it from the original sheet since I would like to keep the set complete for the as-built set.

[sbrown]

New views go on sketches(8x11 or 11x17, Views allready on sheets that get revised and clouded, then the sheet is reprinted to pdf and issued electronically, then the contractor they can still zoom in on the re-issued sheet and print the clouded region to 8x11 or 11x17 for posting to the hard set. If you have to maintain all changes as sketches instead of re-issueing the sheet, you will revise the view on the sheet, then zoom into the changed area, then right click on the name of the view in the project browser(it will be highlighted black), choose Save to Project as image, this will add a snapshot view into your project browser that you can then drag onto your sketch titleblock.

[Joshua Kohl]

If you have to maintain all changes as sketches instead of re-issueing the sheet, you will revise the view on the sheet, then zoom into the changed area, then right click on the name of the view in the project browser(it will be highlighted black), choose Save to Project as image, this will add a snapshot view into your project browser that you can then drag onto your sketch titleblock.

Scott,

How do (or maybe I should say "Can") you get the quality of the image to be the same as the original view?

I set the size to 100% and the Raster Image Quality to 600 but the image doesn't come out as "crisp" as the view itself.

The image appears for the lack of a better word "pixelated".

[sbrown]

Did you print it on paper, mine always look the same and I leave it on 72 dpi. Zoom 100, make sure you are choosing visible portion of current view. Also you can say "fit to" and then try playing with that.

[greg.mcdowell]

Is that a new 2012 feature or have I just missed it all these years?

[Joshua Kohl]

Did you print it on paper, mine always look the same and I leave it on 72 dpi. Zoom 100, make sure you are choosing visible portion of current view. Also you can say "fit to" and then try playing with that.

Yup I printed it on paper and pdf and it gave me both the same look. First I used the 600 dpi thinking that it would look better but for some reason when I tried it with the 72 dpi it produced a better looking image than the 600 did...hmm

Thanks alot Scott.

[sbrown]

Is that a new 2012 feature or have I just missed it all these years?

Just missed it, its been there for years.

[markusb]

Why can I not find the, "Save to Project as Image" tool? Am I looking in the wrong place?

[Joshua Kohl]

Why can I not find the, "Save to Project as Image" tool? Am I looking in the wrong place?

See attached JPG. You need to have the view open, right click on the view in the "view" section of the Project Browser.

[markusb]

I found it, thank you. But, it is lame that I have to do it from the view portion of the project browser and that I cannot do it from the sheet; this does not make good workflow sense to me. A good tool, but hard to find and in the wrong place.

[cr_gixxer]

yes, yes and yes!

This makes perfect sense. How did I not know this before?

I was considering using windows snipping tool(ie screenshot), and bringing the image in and inserting it on the sheet....which is essentially what this tool does, but saves a few steps.

thank you for making the Construction admin nightmare a little more bearable.

[dkoch]

Thanks for the tip!

Using RAC 2011, I found that at 100% Zoom, and 72 DPI, the resultant graphics were of poor quality, particularly non-orthogonal lines and text (Arial font). The quality was much better at 100% Zoom and 300 DPI.

I also found that even with the Hide ref/work planes toggle checked, the reference plane in the test view I was using still showed up in the image. I had to manually hide the reference plane in the view prior to making the image for it not to show.

None-the-less, a great technique of which I was totally unaware.

[dkoch]

Just one downside - with the image captured at 100%, when dragging the image onto a sketch titleblock, the scale reports as 12" = 1'-0", even though the original detail was not at that scale.

So then I tried changing the scale of the rendered image view to the original detail scale (1/2" = 1'-0"), and that got me the correct scale in the detail bubble, but shrank the image, which makes sense. I remade the image, using 2400% and 300 DPI, but the image still came out too small. Tried one last time using 2400% and 72 DPI, and the image came in at the correct scale (when setting the view scale of the image to 1/2" = 1'-0") and the text and linework graphics showed up in an acceptable manner.

So it looks like the key is to keep the DPI at 72, but to use the original view's drawing scale factor X 100 as the Zoom to percentage, then change the scale of the image's view to that of the original view. Semi-convoluted, but it works, and avoids the need for duplicating views ad-nauseum. The duplicated views are not necessarily all that bad, but remembering to go back into the place(s) from which the original view was referenced and then hiding the references to the duplicated view which show up on top of the references I want to keep is more tedious than making the rendered view.

On my current project, we reissued entire drawings a lot more often than I would necessarily have done on a non-Revit project, but we still had a number of small-format sketches that were issued, and life would have been simpler had I known about this technique then. I will definitely be keeping this in mind for future projects. Thanks again.

[patricks]

Using JPEG snapshots of views seems like a neat idea, but I'm having issues getting it to work right and come in at the correct scale.

Also, won't this method of essentially adding a bunch of JPEG images to a project greatly increase the size of the Revit file?

[Joshua Kohl]

Using JPEG snapshots of views seems like a neat idea, but I'm having issues getting it to work right and come in at the correct scale.

Also, won't this method of essentially adding a bunch of JPEG images to a project greatly increase the size of the Revit file?

I like the JPG snap shot idea, to me the quality of the image is better. Take a snap shot of your screen, paste into MS Paint, crop/trim as required, save to JPG, insert into Revit.

I don't think you could get the scale to work correctly due to the fact that your just taking a "picture" of your screen which really has no scale to it.

You could always throw a bar scale family into your view before you take the snap shot, kinda takes care of the "scale" if somone needs rough sizes for something that isn't dimensioned.

As far as the Revit file size, would using a PNG file reduce the image size?

[breckbaird]

Has anyone tried using the "Freeze Drawing" tool from the Autodest Revit Extensions instead of "Save to Project as Image..." from the Project Browser? That would give you a 2D Drafting view drawn at the same scale as the original model view.

[Joshua Kohl]

Has anyone tried using the "Freeze Drawing" tool from the Autodest Revit Extensions instead of "Save to Project as Image..." from the Project Browser? That would give you a 2D Drafting view drawn at the same scale as the original model view.

That seems like a viable option and the quality of the sketch is the same as the orignal which is a plus. The only draw back I see is that the export range is the "current window", you don't have an option for the "visible portion of current window".

However you can mask out the portions you don't want to show in the new drafting view/sketch and it still prints fine with the remainder of the view "hanging off" the side of the title block.