Complicated Victorian walls in Revit

[radug]

Hi everyone,
I need help modelling the Existing situation of a victorian building, with its complicated walls.
I've attached a screenshot (lines are part of the linked DWG plan) with the complex internal arrangement of the walls. I already have 15 variations of the wall family and still can't make the walls meet right and behave. it is getting ridiculous.
I even thought about making the walls as a 3metre thick floor with the room space cut out, but that would not allow me to put the windows and doors in (see smaller insert in screenshot).

Any help is appreciated, as i am out of ideas.

cheers,
radu

[SamuelAB]

Depending on your needs, you can try this:
Make a thin gypsum wall.
Insert the CAD file, align
Select Wall, Pick lines, use Shift to select multiple walls on the CAD drawing.

This will not give you any construction accuracy, but it works for most renovation work if you don't really have to do much with that wall.

[Revitaoist]

You need to model this as close to the real world conditions as you can. Put 2x framing where there really is 2x framing, as walls without finish, and model the furring as it really is furred out. I understand you may not know what is in the wall, but the modeling part needs to be done as the real conditions exist, or a best guess. Those thick parts of the wall are not just solid framing, or solid plaster. You will not be able to just mass the walls based on their interior face without some kind of fakery or workaround. For this I'd have two wall types: 2x framing without a finish and plaster (or GWB if that's the case). If a wall is 2 feet thick and I don't know what's inside, I'd show it framed like I would build it.

[Mike Sealander]

Not everything that's vertical and separates rooms is a wall.
I think Revit got it a little wrong when they created wall, roof, ceiling and floor objects. Your Victorian is an example of a building that blurs the distinction between casework and wall. Revitaoist is correct, but don't limit yourself to walls. Or, at the very least, don't limit yourself to multi-layered walls.

[radug]

Thank you guys for the ideas.
I have tried to model it as close to real as possible and found the best way to go was solid brick walls with no finish for the structure (as it actually is) and a layered wall (plaster+brick+plaster) for the casework. This way, i also split them into bearing and non-bearing.
For some of the more complicated bits (the decorated ones) i will be using wall sweeps and reveals.

Let me know if you have further suggestions :)

Cheers,
Radu

[sbrown]

I would use an architectural column if those elements go all the way up. If these become arches then my main wall would be the overall thickness, then my window and door families would contain void shapes to cut the main wall out in the final intended shape.