View Scale, No Scale

[tcrawford1978]

Is There any way to place a view on a sheet and have the sheet not read the scale? I.E. Our company creates a Key Plan to show the overall project usually a modified site plan simply outlined. I have created this with a legend view even though I could have used a drafting view or something as well. This View will be placed on each sheet on the side and not considered actually a project view. On sheets where only 1 other view exist My title block scale still says "as indicated" meaning there are more than 1 view on the sheet. Is there any way to hide that legend or drafting view or any way to make a key plan with using an actual scale? Or is there a way to hide the scale from the sheet? I have attached a PDF to better help explain. Any Help is Appreciated.

[CADastrophe]

I don't believe that you can exclude a View for the consideration of the Sheet's reported Scale. Our method is to build the Keyplan right into the Title Block and control it's visibility with a Yes/No Instance Parameter. That way, we don't have to add the View to each Sheet; just check the box under the Title Block's Properties. This also allows for greater control in the ability to shade areas of the Keyplan, as each area can also be controlled by a separate Yes/No parameter.

[tcrawford1978]

I thought of this. My issue with this is how? I understand the visibility parameters and such but wouldnt that mean you would have to create a new title block family for each project in order to draw the correct building? Or is there a way to put on the title block family a drawing view or something to attach to the visibility parameter? im unsure how you would have the title block family read the project key plan. unless you were actually drawing the key plan on the paper space of the title block.

[CADastrophe]

Once a Title Block is loaded into a Project, it doesn't have a connection ot the original file. This means that you can find the Title Block in the Project Brower under Annotation Symbols and edit the family. Once you load it back into the Family and overwrite it, the Title Block family that is still open need not be saved, and in fact should be closed without saving. The updated definition now lies with the Project.

You cannot link a View into the Title Block family. We create the Keyplan as a Generic Annotation and load that into the Title Block family. That way, we can easily control the Visibility of the entire element with a single parameter, and we can link embedded Yes/No parameters (for area shading) into Yes/No parameters to be created in the Title Block.

[tcrawford1978]

Ok so you are more or less creating, well editing anyway, the title block for each project. Got it. I like that idea and will use it. Was originally looking at doing it somewhat similar to that but couldnt figure out how exactly to do it. Your solution solves it thank you very much.

[patricks]

We do not edit the title block for every project, other than placing a scanned stamp/signature on it at the end of CD's.

For key plans, I make a Generic Annotation and just sketch a small rough outline of the building, with different gray solid hatched regions containing instance visibility parameters for each region. That gets loaded into the project and placed as a Symbol. I save the family in a folder for project-specific Revit families that we have in each project folder. I don't want it in the title block because our sheets often have more than one floor plan on it. I place the symbol on each sheet, as many times as needed on each sheet, to the bottom and right of the plan view it's for. Then I turn on/off the various regions of the key plan as needed since they're instance parameters.

[dkoch]

Ok so you are more or less creating, well editing anyway, the title block for each project. Got it. I like that idea and will use it. Was originally looking at doing it somewhat similar to that but couldnt figure out how exactly to do it. Your solution solves it thank you very much.

If you want the details of how to do this, you can find them in this blog post:
http://architects-desktop.blogspot.com/2011/10/revit-key-plans-more-detail.html