Metal Standing Seam Roof option

[Arnel Aguel]

You know guys im a fan of modelling whenever i feel necessary specially if i intend to do rendering in a particular view. For standing seam metal roofing i normally model them unless i intend to render it with far viewpoint then drafting, texturing and bump mapping will just be fine but if i want a close up view of my render, texture and bump mapping is not good enough.

I did one project which uses standing metal seam roof. I modelled in ADT and that took me hell a lot of time just to finish modelling. Here is the project MY IMAGE (http://www.zoogdesign.com/forums/phpBB2/download.php?id=706)

Since we are now using Revit i said to myself i would not model that type of roof again but if the design ask you to, you have no choice. I tried to figure out an efficient way of modelling this type of roof. I used in place sweep oh boy its like modelling in ADT.

I figured out one nifty trick for modelling standing seam metal roof by using slope glazing. Here it is:

1) Create a roof with slope as normal
2) Change the family type to slope glazing
3) Create grid lines that correspond to the center to center spacing of you roof seam
4) Create mullions at the seam (grid line) location. You can edit the size of the mullion (seam) as per you desired size.
5) Change the panel material from glass to default roof.
6) Voila you have a standing seam metal roof.

I'm not sure whether this is worth to be in the Tips & Tricks section

[beegee]

Arnel,
Thats a good tip for anyone that does need to model to whole roof in detail.
Yes, you should post it on the tips forum.

Re your comment about alternate approaches, when that detail is not required, there are some nice rendereings HERE (www.zoogdesign.com/forums/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=674&highlight=roof) with some methods you may be interested in.

[Steve_Stafford]

Interesting idea Arnel...you're a clever one...as you can see, I moved your post here.

[beegee]

Arnel,

I just took this tip for a test drive.

When I attempt to change the panel material from glass to default roof ( or metal roof ), I get the warning " Deleting Grid Lines that are part of an Element that no longer supports a Curtain Grid ". Revit then proceeds to delete all the mullions and leaves me with a flat metal roof.

So, what am I doing wrong ?

[Arnel Aguel]

Beegee, it works great with me. I don't get that kind of error that you have.

Anybody else have tried this process and did you get any error?

[Steve_Stafford]

Tried it too, it worked for me BeeGee. Here's an image.

[funkman]

beegee - I get the same problem as you :(

[beegee]

Good ! Well no, not, .... but maybe its a southern hemisphere thing ??

I tried it again after SS's post, but got the same negative result.

( Could it be the template ? )

[funkman]

yeah, well I originally thought it may have had someting to do with the edge conditions - finishing all the mullions in the process, but nope.

Perhaps we are doing things upside down, or is it inside out....ummmm round and round....upside down you'll turn into me...do dooo dooo instinctively :oops:

oi, too much red last night

Uh huh , and more quotes :-
And who knows which is which and who is who
Up and Down
And in the end it's only round and round and round ... beegee ( well Roger Waters really )

[beegee]

OK, problem solved ( with a little help from a friend ).

I was attempting the change the roof to metal, but you need to change the system panel ( glass ) family to metal .

This requires a new admonishment to the forum, .. such as ( Get the sleep out of your eyes ! ) directed solely to me BTW, not Funkman.

[funkman]

ahhhhhhh!!!!! :idea:

[hdjohnson]

OK, problem solved ( with a little help from a friend ).

I was attempting the change the roof to metal, but you need to change the system panel ( glass ) family to metal .

This requires a new admonishment to the forum, .. such as ( Get the sleep out of your eyes ! ) directed solely to me BTW, not Funkman.

beegee,

I'm having the same problem that you were having. Can you please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong? I select the slope glazing and in the properties box, I change the Family from "System Family: Sloped Glazing" to "System Family: Basic Roof". This is when all of my mullions disappear. If you could give me a little step-by-step, I'd appreciate it. Thanks in advance.

[beegee]

Can you please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong? I select the slope glazing and in the properties box, I change the Family from "System Family: Sloped Glazing" to "System Family: Basic Roof". This is when all of my mullions disappear. If you could give me a little step-by-step, I'd appreciate it. Thanks in advance.

In step 5 of Arnel's post. hover over the sloped glazing, pressing tab until a system panel highlights, Then swap its type to default roof.

This is only one method for doing a standing seam roof and may be just as time consuming as creating sweeps, particularly if you only need the standing seams for a specific perspective view.

[hdjohnson]

beegee,

Got it! Thanks for your help.

[Les Therrien]

how do I change the panel? I am using 6.1.
I've devided up the roof with the seams. Now what?

[beegee]

how do I change the panel? I am using 6.1.
I've devided up the roof with the seams. Now what?


In step 5 of Arnel's post. hover over the sloped glazing, pressing tab until a system panel highlights, Then swap its type to default roof.

[Les Therrien]

thanks Beeg' I overlooked that one. It works well.

[Scott D Davis]

here's one I did as a test.

1. Built the walls
2. Added normal 12" Generic Roof, with single slope defining line.
3. Joined walls to roof.
4. Used "Ruled Curtain System" tool, picked top and bottom edge of roof as edge planes for RCS.
5. Changed System Panel material from Glass to Metal - Roof
6. Added Curtain Grids at equally spaced intervals.
7. Added mullions (generic 2 x 5, which could be custom profile to show actual seam!)
8. Changed Mullion material
9. Added Host Sweep>Roof Fascia
10. Exported image to post here.

All of this took maybe a couple of minutes.

I thought that this was an appropriate solution, because the 12" generic represents the roof structure, while the RCS represents an applied finish material, Metal Seam Roof.

http://www.zoogdesign.com/forums/phpBB2/download.php?id=1821[/img]

[Scott D Davis]

Here's another on a barrel vault roof. Not as clean because youmust divide the RCS to created the curve, which creates seams in the cross-direction. But, I'm going to create a new Solid Panel in 6.1, assign an On/Off Parameter, and then I could turn the panels off, leaving the standing seams and the Roof below. Then give the roof a top layer, and assign the Metal Roof material to it. Only have 5.1 at home, so I'll have to create the Solid Panel Monday.

http://www.zoogdesign.com/forums/phpBB2/download.php?id=1822

[rross.108280]

I came up with the same solution as you did, but I needed to add the vally, ridge and hip caps for a rendering and for elvations. I added a second roof on top and used the opening tool to cut away the large field areas, so all that was left was the roof in areas that would be ridge, hip or vally. I posted on my blog awhile back.
http://bimview.blogspot.com/2008/12/standing-seam-metal-roof.html