room tags on linked project

[gravelin]

Is it a way to place room rags on linked RVT porject.
When I try to do it, Revit din't detect any walls.

[adegnan]

Sorry, I don't believe this is possible.

[beegee]

I'm intrigued why you would want Room Tags to be in the parent file instead of the main file that has all the model geometry.?


Is it a way to place room rags on linked RVT porject.

When I try to do it, Revit din't detect any walls.

[gravelin]

I'm intrigued why you would want Room Tags to be in the parent file instead of the main file that has all the model geometry.?Ahh bonne question, merci de l'avoir posée :wink:
Comment faire pour produire le plan global d'un lotissement de plusieurs immeubles en donnant la possibilité aux clients de choisir en fonction des agencements sur un même document ?
Comment faire pour produire sur lamême feuille le plan de masse du lotissement et un plan de chaque batiment type ?

Ahh good question, thanks to ask it (humour français : very politicaly correct expression :wink: )
How to produce the global plan of a allotment (not sure of translation means a serie of building in the same commercial operation - is it clear ?) with many similar buildings giving the posibility to the clients to choose regarding to the fitting on a SAME sheet ?
How to produce on the same sheet the site plan and a detailled plan of each buildind ?
(Naturally I exclude the using of imported ACAD files)

[beegee]

OK, that makes sense.

Did you know that you can still place room tags in a linked file. Ignore the warning that the room tag is not in a properly enclosed space. You can't extract areas from them of course. Nor can you link them back to the original model. But other than that, they could be used for some situations. Don't know if that helps in your case or not .

The wish to have far greater functionality for linked files is very valid, and your situation is a good example.

[gravelin]

OK Bruce

I place a poll in wish list for that

Je mets un vote dans la liste de souhait à ce sujet

http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=14514

[kcarlson]

I am also finding that I need room tags to show up in the linked file. I have eight unit plans in separate RVT files linked into an apartment building file. I would like to place multiple units on a unit plan sheet so I have also linked the files into another file to set up these sheets.

Is there a better way to do this? For now if I want the room tags to show up I need to make sheets from the individual files meaning I have 8 sheets where i really only need two or three.

[Mr Spot]

You could always setup a sheet in the parent file presetup with all the linked room tags, then in the main file with all the links set each of the links to display as per the appropriate view.

This will enable all the tags to show up with area information etc....

[Scott D Davis]

In Revit 9.0, room tags (as well as other tags) show up across linked files, as long as you have used the Visibility Settings for the linked files and set them to Custom rather than By Host View.

[rafterman]

I think that the copy monitor tool is what you are looking for here. In the tools menu go to copy/monitor and select link. This puts you in the copy/monitor mode where one of the options on the design bar is copy rooms. Click copy rooms and then it will tell you how many rooms are copied from the linked file. At that point you can go through and place room tags in your project with the linked file as the background. The copy/monitor tool is a great thing for linked files.

[jtobin.68416]

I may be doing this backwards as I already posted on the wishlist first, but I wanted to check here too.

I have a large FFE package that could be a wholly separate Revit file if I could just link the rooms intelligently so they can be scheduled. I have over 2,000 equipment items to place.

As far as I can tell, it's not possible now to get linked rooms to schedule, so that equipment knows what room it resides in, as it does when I place them in a 'native' file. Is that correct?

I can get room tags to show in plan (thanks to Scott Brown above) , but not to schedule in a specialty equipment schedule

Thanks in advance,

John Tobin

[robert.manna]

Families cannot currently be associated with rooms unless there is a feature I'm un-aware of that you are using. You can create any type of schedule and use it to schedule components from a linked file. Once a schedule is created there is a check-box option in the properties of the schedule that allow you to determine if elements from a linked file will be inlcuded. I don't think this will particulary help you though, as I said, because you can't assoicate a family, for instance a piece of speciality equipment with a specific room. The closest that you can get (as far as I know) is to create a custom shared parameter (project or in the family) for the families that need to be identified as being in a "room" and manually filling out the parameter as needed. In this case you could easily select multiple families at once and change the value. Or make use of a schedule and plan view at the same time to quickly change the properties.

-R

[dbaldacchino]

You actually can. For instance, you can schedule all plumbing fixtures and Revit will also know what rooms they are in. The same applies to other categories. But I don't think that this works if the plumbing fixture for example is not in the same project file as the room. It sure would be nice if this worked through linked files.

[jtobin.68416]

Robert,

in schedules, when you choose fields to schedule,you will see a drop box in the bottom left that says "select available fields from"... Doors, Specialty, etc. (whatever your schedule is for.)

Typically, if you click on that drop-down, fields from rooms are also available, and you can link components to rooms -a really cool database-like feature. But I guess as David confirms it's not active across linked files.

I'm not surprised, but have added it to the wishlist as I think it would be very powerful as a way to control file size.

David, thanks for confirming that I'm not missing something, and thanks for all the replies.

John Tobin

[robert.manna]

Yeah, I knew you could do that on doors, but I didn't think it would work on other families. We use that field on our door schedule, however the only problem I have with it, at least with doors is that "from room" and "to room" can be subject to so much interpertation, not to mention that depending on your door numbering convention you have to manually override the default sometimes. I personally wish that you could just straight up create a definitive association that shows up in actual properties of the family, like a door. If that were the case you could then potentially do some really cool stuff with auto numbering or tagging with contactinating room information with equipment/door information.

Currently I would not expect this feature to work in Revit v9.1.

-R

[jtobin.68416]

I think I have this working now - but with Revit Systems.

So, the reason I was actually looking at this in the first place is that I spent my time at AU2006 sitting in classes for Revit Systems (the next piece of the (BIM puzzle, IMHO).

I remember that one of the the workflows for Systems is to link rooms from the architectural model to the Systems file. The Copy/Monitor in Systems allows 'ROOMS' to be copied over. I had tried it yesterday and didn't crack it, but gave it one more try today and, sure enough, I CAN get a linked model to show rooms in Specialty Equipment schedules, and sort and group equipment by room from a linked file.

I may be paranoid about this, but I don't want to overburden a file that already is large with a huge FF&E package, so I'm trying to see if I can add the 2,000 items to a linked file and not add to the Building file.
So, now I'm weighting the unlikely prospect of creating a large FF&E package using Revit Systems. That's not weird, right?..is it?

I guess if linked files have this functionality with Systems it should be an easy step to add it to Building. Right, Factory?

John Tobin

[dbaldacchino]

Sure enough I would guess. That's what I don't like about taking functionality out of certain apps and giving them only to others. What you just illustrated is that for elements to know where they are, everything (room and element) have to be in the same project file. It would be nice if these objects can recognize rooms within linked files.

[bellerdine]

I think that the copy monitor tool is what you are looking for here. In the tools menu go to copy/monitor and select link. This puts you in the copy/monitor mode where one of the options on the design bar is copy rooms. Click copy rooms and then it will tell you how many rooms are copied from the linked file. At that point you can go through and place room tags in your project with the linked file as the background. The copy/monitor tool is a great thing for linked files.


This option only seems to appear in Revit MEP... WHY????

[cphubb]

with 08 you can tag the rooms in the linked file and use VG to show those tags in the main file.

[truevis]

This option only seems to appear in Revit MEP... WHY????

I would think that's because in MEP you're doing all kinds if things to rooms (which don't need to have boundaries if copied). In Arch, you just need the detail items which you make appear as in the attachment -- visibility graphics setting shows link’s detail items on your view!

[chris.martin]

Rafterman,

I am trying to follow your process for being able to place room tags in a linked interior model. Our office is modeling the exterior of the building while another office of ours is modeling the interiors. Currently I am having to use REVIT MEP to place spaces in our model in order to allow us to place room tags that we can move around. The reason we need to move them around is because the interior finish plans and furniture plans are being done here in my office in our model and will need to be moved from time to time. When I click copy/monitor and select the linked interior model as you describe, I don't get the option to copy rooms. When I click copy and look through the list I don't see rooms either. The room definitions just are not there. However when I get out of copy/monitor and just click on the linked model the room definitions show up. Do you know why this is. I fear that we don't have something set up right with our room definitions between models and that is what is causing the problem. I know that placing spaces in the model by using REVIT MEP can't be the correct way to do this. I would like to think that a firm wouldn't have to purchase both REVIT ARCH and REVIT MEP for stuff like this. Your process makes sense and would like to figure out why this isn't working for me. Any help would be great. Thanks in advance.

[cphubb]

Chris,

The method described above allows the room tags to be visible, but not editable. It also dates back to Revit 2009 which had copy monitor for MEP. It was replaced by the Space element in 2009 for different reasons. If you are using MEP you should be using the Space element, if you are using Arch you need to set the visibility of the linked model to By Linked View and select the view in the linked model to display. You may need to create special views in the linked model to be able to set the tags the way you need. This is the difficult problem of working with linked models across the same discipline.

[chris.martin]

cphubb,

So if I use MEP to place the spaces into my Arch model can I schedule the rooms for interior finishes? Keep in mind that my interiors model is seperate and that the scheduling is being done in my exterior model. As of right now we can't get the schedules to populate. We are getting a "not place" error for the rooms.

[cphubb]

Actually you will need to create a Space schedule. Spaces and Rooms are different elements. I don't know offhand if spaces have finish parameters assigned by default, but you could certainly add them after the fact.

However you can schedule the linked rooms and I suggest that is the better method.

[robert.manna]

You can schedule rooms accross projects, you just cannot currently tag elements accross projects. So you are stuck with either placing and tagging space elements, or creating custom views in the Interior's model with the room tags located correctly to "agree" with the Exterior model's floor plan views.

Space schedules can also include Room Data, so if you place spaces that correspond to rooms in your model, you can tag the spaces, and then create a schedule that carries Space & Room info.

For subscription customers there are tools available to auto name/place spaces (part of which is integrated into 2010).

-R