View ports have suddenly become much bigger than the crop region.

[etboards17]

This randomly happened in the middle of the work day last week and I am without an answer.
Okay, the basics: when details are on a sheet, viewports are generally the same size of the crop region and any annotations that are beyond the crop region.
My situation is this: all of the viewports on all the sheets have suddenly become substantially larger. There is a mix of views that are using the annotation crop and views that are not and they both have enlarged viewports on sheets. If I reveal hidden after zooming to fit I can see the project base point and survey point which shows that the view is recognizing the hidden points. This is consistent in every view that has an enlarged viewport. What am I missing? For some reason all of the views are no longer zooming to fit geometry and geometry cropped by a view, but zooming to fit the survey point and project basepoint (that are unfortunately in the wrong positions. I did not set this project up. Regardless, no one else has modified their position and I have never seen viewports recognize hidden survey and project base points).
See attached sample:
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[cliff collins]

There must be an element lurking out there---check for mysterious cad imports or links. Also, the two red symbols are the Project Base Point and the Survey Point. Try turning them off in VG>Site>Project Base Point and Survey Point.

[Mike L Sealander]

This happens to me all the time when I have linked files. It's as if the viewport bounding box wants to include the extents of the linked files.

[etboards17]

Mike,
All the time? Do you leave as is and deal with it? I hope not. Revit linked files have not changed. I will check with the team to see if any AutoCAD imports have been made.

Cliff,
I will look to see if there are rogue elements. Survey and Project base points are turned off in all views. Note: They are showing in the sample above because the view is revealing hidden elements.

[etboards17]

Update:
-Team has not imported AutoCAD drawings recently.
-I turned everything on as well as set the 3D camera to the latest phase with no phase filters on and there are no rogue elements.
-Closed the linked model worksets to see if the links were contributing
The views are STILL enlarged.
I am out of options. Every single view other than floor plans is enlarged. My team is having trouble with it as well. Selecting views to activate them takes an awkward series of moves.

[dhurtubise]

what if you attach Crop Region to Scope Box?

[etboards17]

I found the problem. SOMEHOW, somehow a recently loaded wall tag that was custom made for tagging storefront was placed at the project base point. This tag, SOMEHOW, is not reacting like a view specific annotation and is showing in all existing views and even new views without an object to tag. I am completely stumped.
If I delete the tag in any view I can see it in. The enlarged view problem is gone. Fascinating. Can anyone explain a tag NOT being view specific and as well.... why at the project base point???? I just happen to zoom into the project base point far enough and there it was. See attached image of 3 different views, two are sections and one is a plan.

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[damon.sidel]

Can you post the wall tag family? That's fascinating behavior.

[irneb]

Yep, "fascinating" is the word :shock:

Is the tag perhaps a multi-category tag instead of a "wall" tag? That might allow for "tagging" the base point. But still I can't figure why a tag should become a model element shown in all views.

[etboards17]

See attached Tag Family.
Not a multi category tag.
One of the most mysterious events I have delt with. One for the books.89596

[cwclose]

OK, so I believe I have the same problem in that when I select a viewport on a sheet the viewport area is much bigger than the crop region of the cropped view. By process of elimination i.e., deleting the entire model (the viewports go back to normal behavior), then deleting whole categories (discovered that a lighting fixture family was responsible), then individual families, then types, then changing type parameter values I came to the conclusion that if a certain type had type comments then the viewports would go weird. Needless to say, this makes no sense. There's no tag that references the type comments for the light fixture category. I also tried loading said family with problem type and type comments into a new project and couldn't replicate the error. Performed an audit on the project and numerous other troubleshooting steps. Maybe it's one of those "I upgraded my project from 2013 to 2014 and this happened" type of weirdness. Anyway, I've uploaded the family if anyone wants to take a stab. The problem type is A-3(N).93092

BTW thanks for the previous posts - helped me troubleshoot this one.