Scope Box vs Section Box

[adegnan]

Can anyone tell me why, if you create a scope box in a plan view, you can use that box to (essentially) define your crop region in plans, elevations, etc. But in a default 3-d view then you need to create a section box? It seems that you cannot use the scope box in a default 3-d view and need to create a redundant section box.

Now, I know the purpose of a section box, if I want to use it. But if I create a scope box, why can't I apply that to a 3-d view?

If I misunderstand, someone please correct me! If I am right, then maybe I'll put it to the wish list?

[Dimitri Harvalias]

Haven't used them much but my understanding of scope boxes is that they don't define the view, they just define the extent of the elements visible within the view. They aren't actually cutting a section just using a region to define an envelope that governs the elements visibility.

[aggockel50321]

Seldom use them, but scope boxes are just for controlling visibility of datum lines, i.e. grid lines, ref planes, etc.

Haven't seen them used to define crop regions or control visibility of model elements. Do you have a method of doing that Abe?

[Joef]

I've never used scope boxes either. Any expert out there care to post a "care and feeding of scope boxes" outline? As usual the Revit help doesn't help much. It says that scope boxes can be set to be visible in elevation views but fails to tell you how to do it. I figured it out but, still wonder at the fact that this program wich cost thousands of dollars comes with less printed documentation than a 50 dollar DVD player.

[jbalding48677]

Steve posted this a while ago... It could help:

http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=11935&highlight=scope

[Joef]

That was fast. Thanks!

[adegnan]

Great resource again, JB.

The bottom line answer is: A scope box cannot be used to control the extent of visibility in a 3-d view. Only in plans, sections, elevations...

A section box can control the extend of visibility in a 3-d view. This helps to make the model rotate in the 3-d view without portions of the model going beyond the range of a crop region. This is my purpose in asking for the clarification.

Thanks!

[aaronrumple]

...one of those features mot users can do without.

[luigi]

I have worked with Scope boxes extensively on one project, and have found it an indespensible optional feature. It saved quite a bit of time coordinated the multiple views of floor plans, elevations, sections, etc. on a project too big to fit on a 24x36 (which is our preferred size).
There are tons of scenarios where scope boxes can be very helpful.

my 2 groszy (cents in polish)

[luigi]

Seldom use them, but scope boxes are just for controlling visibility of datum lines, i.e. grid lines, ref planes, etc.

Haven't seen them used to define crop regions or control visibility of model elements. Do you have a method of doing that Abe?Not sure if it was addressed or not, you just need to change the scope box property in the "View properties" and the crop regions will follow the 3d extents of the scope box in that view.
the control visibility of model elements isn't direct, just if those elements fall inside the extents or not.. :)

[Steve_Stafford]

...one of those features mot users can do without.uh oh...you don't think this is a good candidate for a 3 hour lab at AU?...:shock: oh...well, back to the drawing board.:-( :)

[mmodernc]

I have used scope boxes a couple of times - they add another management task but they may be things that you need to manage.
What I am not sure of is how they fit in with the little 2D/3D dot you get on the end of level lines etc to control extents.
3 1/2 hour seminar maybe?

[bclarch]

I think that it would be helpful if someone from the factory explained the overall philosohpy behind these elements. The help files tell you what they are, and what their properties are, but not how the programmers envisioned them being used.

[Steve_Stafford]

I think that it would be helpful if someone from the factory explained the overall philosohpy behind these elements. The help files tell you what they are, and what their properties are, but not how the programmers envisioned them being used.I guess the pdf I wrote doesn't do as good a job as I hoped if you still feel this way? True?

[bclarch]

I guess the pdf I wrote doesn't do as good a job as I hoped if you still feel this way? True?
Well, you're not from the factory so it doesn't count. :wink: Just kidding of course. In reality, I downloaded the PDFs but never found the time to look at them. Nice explanation and thanks for sharing.

[aaronrumple]

eh - I understand them they just don't solve my real issues. Grids/Levels/Crop boxes can both be controlled by views and worksets with ease. Even a recent project with a main and outbuilding didn't warrant scope boxes...

What I really need is a way to control those darn elevation symbols so they aren't running all over the place...

[Chad Smith]

I've been using scope boxes for the last 2-3 weeks and I have to say that these are awesome. I don't use them all the time, but when they are needed, they DO save a fair amount of time.

Not only do they control grid, levels etc. they can be used to define crop regions and you can even link them to callouts and the callouts change to suit the size of the scope box.

Basically, scope boxes add a form of 'graphical uniformity' to multiple views that are referencing the same area of a building.

Check 'em out if you haven't already. :D

[ree.espinoza]

uh oh...you don't think this is a good candidate for a 3 hour lab at AU?...:shock: oh...well, back to the drawing board.:-( :)

Is there any updated discussions on the section box vs scope box using revit st 2011

[Scott Womack]

There were no changes to either in recent history.