Proper terminology? Keynotes vs. keyed notes

[lucid.balloon472536]

Hello!

First off: I know this is a silly issue, and of course there are more important things to worry about in your drawings. That being said, let us continue:

I'm attempting to explain to my co-worker why the title "Keyed Notes" for a keynote list is incorrect (if indeed it is).

A note is a note, ok.
A key can be:
8. a systematic explanation of abbreviations, symbols, etc., used in a dictionary, map, etc.: pronunciation key. Compare legend.
9. thesystem, method, pattern, etc., used to decode or decipher a cryptogram, as acode book, machine setting, or keyword.

But neither of those definitions makes the title work. I interpret "keyed note" to mean "a note that has been keyed". I guess in a certain way it kind of makes sense.. like saying "that note has been put into the key; hence, it has been keyed". But technically, this is incorrect, right? Is there some grammatical link that I'm missing?

If you have symbols, you need a key/legend to define those symbols. So it should be called a symbol legend, or something similar. Not symboled notes.

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Extra background info/rant:
In my plan I used the title Keynote Legend. Upon looking at the drawing later, I see a red mark through my title, replaced with "Keyed Notes" and a side note pointing to the word Keynote that said "no such thing!"

Now,
#1: In my office, English is a second language. This explains a lot.
#2: We all know those numbered symbols are called keynotes. When I told them this, I met resistance. So I had to show proof of its actual name (since, y'know, why trust the only person in the office who can actually speak English properly). So since searching "keynote" in acad help turned up squat, I googled "keynote legend Revit" and voila, proof.

Also, it's not only my office where this happens; I see it on drawings from other companies.

[Opie]

I've never heard of a Keyed Note Legend. It was always Keynote Legend

[Coloradomrg]

I've seen it both ways... our office changed long ago (20+ years) to simply calling them drawing notes, with the key symbol being denoted on our legend as a "Drawing Note Symbol".

I don't think either way is "wrong" though, just depends on the office.

[Wanderer]

I don't recall seeing 'keyed notes' on our plans (and I see A LOT of plans as an owner), just 'keynote'.

[jaberwok]

Whatever the answer, it has nothing to do with English grammar, it's an industry norm.
If it's notes, it's notes; if it's interpretation of symbols, it's a legend.

[lucid.balloon472536]

Whatever the answer, it has nothing to do with English grammar, it's an industry norm.
If it's notes, it's notes; if it's interpretation of symbols, it's a legend.

I understand the industry standard thing. But it's not like the standards committee got together and decided that we can use Keynotes and Keyed Notes interchangeably. I think it's one of those terms that gets used improperly once and copied forever until it becomes the norm. In cases like this, I much prefer to use the standards that our software uses, and I've yet to see Autocad or Revit use "keyed notes".

A good example is the phrase: For all intensive purposes. People say this all the time. Myself included, until someone pointed out to me that it's actually For all intents and purposes. Blew my mind :D.

Also, it's one thing to say, "ok we know it may not be correct, but it works just fine and it's not big deal so let's keep using it", which I am fine with.
It's another thing to be told, "there's no such thing as a keynote or keynote legend" when, in fact, such things exist (and having to actually argue about it and show proof).

"Look, even Revit calls it a keynote legend"
"no, it's wrong" -_-

Frustrating.

[reikajapan]

It has always been Keyed Notes: everywhere I worked.

[cadtag]

"keyed notes" as the name is grammatically incorrect though -- 'keyed' is an adjective, not a noun, so shouldn't be used as the name of the keynote block. The notes are keyed, but table that matches up the keys (numbers) with the notes can't be called keyed notes. or at lest not without violating grammar. not that there's anything wrong with that.. :)

[jaberwok]

I understand the industry standard thing. But it's not like the standards committee got together and decided that we can use Keynotes and Keyed Notes interchangeably. I think it's one of those terms that gets used improperly once and copied forever until it becomes the norm. In cases like this, I much prefer to use the standards that our software uses, and I've yet to see Autocad or Revit use "keyed notes".

A good example is the phrase: For all intensive purposes. People say this all the time. Myself included, until someone pointed out to me that it's actually For all intents and purposes. Blew my mind :D.

Also, it's one thing to say, "ok we know it may not be correct, but it works just fine and it's not big deal so let's keep using it", which I am fine with.
It's another thing to be told, "there's no such thing as a keynote or keynote legend" when, in fact, such things exist (and having to actually argue about it and show proof).

"Look, even Revit calls it a keynote legend"
"no, it's wrong" -_-

Frustrating.

No-one noticed that "for all intensive purposes ..." makes no relevant sense? :) :banghead:

[KCM]

No-one noticed that "for all intensive purposes ..." makes no relevant sense? :) :banghead:

:beer:

I've never come across keyed notes before. It doesn't scan correctly, it, it is just wrong.

[lucid.balloon472536]

No-one noticed that "for all intensive purposes ..." makes no relevant sense? :) :banghead:

In hindsight, not the clearest analogy I could have used. :p

But the idea is the same: sometimes a word/phrase is used incorrectly. And it gets used incorrectly over and over again to the point where people believe it's correct. Nobody's fault of course, but it's a shame when people react with hostility upon being corrected and defend the wrong thing.

Seems the general consensus is that "keyed notes" is grammatically incorrect. Thank you for helping me figure this out.