Change the area type referenced by a schedule?

[patricks]

There has got to be a way to do this, seriously...

I have an area plan with a schedule used to show the area of an entire building for building code calculations. I created another area plan TYPE in order to show the leasable areas of various tenants in the building. I need a similar schedule that shows each of those tenant areas separately. I duplicated the code area schedule (containing several calculated values) but I can't seem to get it to read the areas of the new type I created.

Similarly in another project I created an area plan and schedule with calculated values to help me calculate scupper length, based on formulas in the plumbing code. I copied that area schedule into my current project, but it's now populating the schedule with the areas I already have in the project. I need to create a new area type called "Roof Area" or similar, and have the schedule read that area type.

What can I do?

[Maciej Wypych]

Hi,

I think there is no way to switch between schedule category once is created. So if you have Schedule for Area (Type A, or Gross, or whatever you want) if you duplicate it will be still (Type A). If you want to schedule (Type B) you need to create a new schedule for that type.
Basically whenever you create a new area type, you need to create a new schedule for this type.

It is a huge pain with calculated values.

If there is a way to do it, I would love to find out how.

Thanks,

Maciej

[Duncan Lithgow]

It is kinda a pain, but that seems to be how it works.

[KGC]

The only thing that comes to mind would be using some sort of schedule key to auto-populate/filter certain areas after you designate a type word.

[patricks]

The only thing that comes to mind would be using some sort of schedule key to auto-populate/filter certain areas after you designate a type word.

It can't be the same area type because then I will have duplicate/redundant areas reported. I need areas of overall buildings AND areas of individual lease spaces, so just filtering won't do it.

[KGC]

Ahh, yup....but who cares about redundant areas :)

Just a random though, could you do this through a design option? Don't have Revit in from of me, so I can't play with it to see if this is stupid or not.

[david_peterson]

What about adding a project or shared parameter (Say Area tyep) that only applies to areas you want in that schedule, and then filter the schedule by that parameter? Or you maybe you have multiple parameters, one for total, one for leased one for what ever. Fill those out based on what schedule you want to create.
Just a thought.

[Devin_82]

If I am understanding your question, a workflow that has worked for me in the past is to do the following:

1. Open up a blank file and create an Area Scheme (I'm thinking this is what you meant by area TYPE?) with a name that exactly matches (including letter case) the name of the scheme for the original schedule.
2. Copy the schedule from the original project to the new project.
3. Rename the Area Scheme in the new project to exactly match the name of the second scheme you are trying to get the schedule to recognize.
4. Rename the schedule.
5. Copy the renamed schedule from the new project back into the original project and you should now see the data from the second Area Scheme.

I know this seems like a lot of steps for a single schedule, but imagine you have a whole series of schedules that need to be translated, recreating them will take forever, especially if they have a bunch of calculated values. Hope this helps.

[patricks]

What about adding a project or shared parameter (Say Area tyep) that only applies to areas you want in that schedule, and then filter the schedule by that parameter? Or you maybe you have multiple parameters, one for total, one for leased one for what ever. Fill those out based on what schedule you want to create.
Just a thought.

Filtering doesn't work, because the areas would be part of the same "area scheme" (Devin was right on the terminology), and would have overlapping areas since I'm trying to schedule out entire buildings as well as tenant areas within the building.

Our default area schedule in our template for computing life safety occupancy uses the Rentable scheme, because the IBC defines Gross Building Area as the area to the INSIDE face of the exterior walls. The Revit Gross Area scheme goes to outside face, which is not correct for occupancy counts.


If I am understanding your question, a workflow that has worked for me in the past is to do the following:

1. Open up a blank file and create an Area Scheme (I'm thinking this is what you meant by area TYPE?) with a name that exactly matches (including letter case) the name of the scheme for the original schedule.
2. Copy the schedule from the original project to the new project.
3. Rename the Area Scheme in the new project to exactly match the name of the second scheme you are trying to get the schedule to recognize.
4. Rename the schedule.
5. Copy the renamed schedule from the new project back into the original project and you should now see the data from the second Area Scheme.

I know this seems like a lot of steps for a single schedule, but imagine you have a whole series of schedules that need to be translated, recreating them will take forever, especially if they have a bunch of calculated values. Hope this helps.

I will have to look into this more and give it a try. Reading through the steps once I'm not sure what's going on, but maybe doing it will help. :)

[patricks]

This was a long time ago but I wanted to report back that the above method from Devin does work!

[praddy21.ban]

This hack was amazing!
I can use this to "duplicate" tabulations for different area schemes between design options!
Thank you Devin!