How do I show a building element moving?

[jrocc858]

Greetings gurus,

I am currently working on a remodel that includes lifting the existing garage around 18" or so.
Can a move like this be phased or does the phasing just existing/new. Could design options be used, I am not too familiar with them. Thanks in advance for the help.

[luigi]

There is no proper way of doing this. You can't phase raising levels or walls. Phasing means you demo something and create something, rather than move something. Design options is to show various information (similar, but seperate, no relationship with eachother if they belong to the option itself)So...having said that, there are a few ways you could do this.

1. to make the objects that need to be raised (all of them) to be grouped as a model group. then to create a Proposed New Level and paste the model group on that level (model groups are level sensitive now, you can even keep it in the same level and just raise the elevation of the group) (but the visibility will have to be controlled with worksets???)

2. To delete all the objects in one phase say (existing) and copy that information on the other phase say (raised level), but you will now have a difficult time coordinating true phases, if you ever will need the power of phasing on this job.

3. To put all the objects in one Design Option Set and (I forgot the technical name for it) copy the objects in Option 1 and option 2, or Option existing, Option raised, then you can make the option raised your PRIMARY option, so it will be the main option, and the views that you will want to show the existing level, you just override the view to show that design option.

There may be other ways of doing it, but maybe my favorite would be the first one if I can make sure to make it visible in some views and not others....good luck

[dg]

I would just demolish the existing wall and redraw it on a new phase (with the 18"level offset), and then set the visibility to show the new phase, existing and demolished.

[roy.70844]

Greetings gurus,

I am currently working on a remodel that includes lifting the existing garage around 18" or so.
Can a move like this be phased or does the phasing just existing/new. Could design options be used, I am not too familiar with them. Thanks in advance for the help.

Can I ask what may be a dumb question? (please note that I am not a trained Architect or even a technician, I work for a Revit reseller)

How do you actually raise a wall by 18".
Do you demolish the existing walls, create new foundations/footings then build a new wall?
If you do, then phasing is the option to use, as suggested by dg. Try looking for a tutorial on phasing, it's not too difficult to master.

to mis-quote someone, 'Model it like you build it...'

Roy

[luigi]

You could demolish it in real life, but that might be unlikely (unless one thinks that it isn't worth going through the trouble.) in Detroit there was an old building that wasn't elevated, but moved, they didn't demolish it, they just raised it and slowly slowly they moved it. If they wanted to raise the construction, literally, they could, then they would brace it, lift it, build under it and pray that they years of training of the professional in charge pay off... :)

[jrocc858]

Its not just a wall that is being raised it the entire existing garage(floor, walls, and roof). It is part of an extensive remodel of an existing hill side residence. The garage is being raised to help align roof lines of the addition and existing residence and make the room under the garage habitable.
I'm pretty familiar with the phasing as there is a lot of demo and new construction happening on this job. Just haven't been able to find a good way to showing this move.
Right now I am just keeping it as 2 files one existing condition the other with the garage moved and set to existing with the rest of the demo and new construction phased.
I think this should still let me control phasing and scheduling as I want. Luigi the workset idea sounds intresting but I just dont know enough about using them at the moment, I will have to look into though. Any feedback or suggestions welcome. Thanks again all.


Jason

[Steve_Stafford]

Its not just a wall that is being raised it the entire existing garage(floor, walls, and roof). It is part of an extensive remodel of an existing hill side residence.You might consider using Design Options (as Luigi suggests earlier), but in effect you are making a copy of the garage to do so...

None of my business but I wonder if raising the garage is an idea or what a contractor wants to do? I've seen instances where the plan is to salvage and raise only to find the contractor can make a strong financial/quality case for demo/build new.

Just being nosy :)

Of course, not really an option if the bldg is of historical or athestic value that would be lost by doing so.

[Allen Lacy]

Another way would be to link the existing house/garage model into the new work model. You wouldn't be able to schedule anything from the existing, but that may not be needed anyway. You can do any demo work in the existing model and it will show in the new work model when linked.

I've use this method for an addition to an existing office building. To overcome the scheduling problem, I created new walls and added doors where needed in the new model and then used linework tool to hide the new doors where I needed to.