So, does AutoDesk LIKE Revit, or not?

[DaveP]

Anybody get CADalyst Magazine ? (hard copy)
Check out this quote on page 62 from Carl Bass:


"Architectural Desktop won't go away any time in the near future.
People are very happy with it…….
It may outlive Revit."
- Carl Bass, Autodesk COO
Now, I know they've anyways been schizophrenic about having two products, but COME ON!!!
Ten again, Carol Bartz said AutoCAD was dead a few years ago.....

Let the flames begin!!!!

[Joef]

A curious choice of words "outlive". As if the both products were headed for the scrap heap and it was simply a race to see who gets there first. A nice reflection on how seriously they take Revit at Autodesk is this web page:
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/autoindex?siteID=123112&id=2253430&linkID=3770380

I've attached a clip of it. 2 year old AutoCad questions on a page that is supposed to be about the latest version of Revit.

[A3D]

Ya, everything concerning Revit is so very outdated...
I'm still looking for real info on Revit, not just ads and white papers showing the same examples in months.
No release date, no publicity, no nothing... the bits of info one might find useful are on some commercial pages.
As for the download thing... I understand that they need some time to prepare the web page, but at least say something like "People, a new version will be available next week".

I'm puzzled...

[tatjana.dzambazova]

I would now really like to turn all of this on the positive side - since when is this forum so doubtful?
there is great future in front of Revit, it is the platform on which we build the entire BIM story and there is absolutely NOT a single doubt about it!

I didnt think that it would be necassary to explain details, but the fact that we didnt announce that the Web Download will be posted later is only because we experinced unplanned last moment issue with the Web installer.

i hope that we are forgiven for that.

Tatjana Dzambazova
Architect
Revit Building Product Manager

mobile : + 1 781 985 3631

[Joef]

We appreciate that things don't always go smoothly. It seems though that The Revit community's loyalty is taken very much for granted.
An example this is the following page of Inventor tutorials available for subscribers.

http://in_the_machine.blogs.com/in_the_machine/2005/04/new_elearning_l.html

This is for the latest version of Inventor which is just being released. Revit users pay a subscription fee too, but there hasn't been a new tutorial for Revit in ages. People have expressed dissatisfaction with this and what happens? Nothing. A new release of Revit and I will wager there will be no more content for subscribers than there was last release. Whose idea was it post 2 year old AutoCad questions as Revit Building Q&A?

[Scott D Davis]

It may outlive Revit."
- Carl Bass, Autodesk COO

I imagine Carl saying that, and then breaking out in uncontrollable laughter.....

[BillyGrey]

Yes Tatjana,

There seems to be a bit of springtime pessimism in this forum lately.
Oh well, I guess conspiracies abound. Some seemed so demanding in the other thread you posted to, without even considering there are always more than two sides to such a complicated issue as a major software release.

I for one would like to public ally apologize for some of the rude, insensitive, or presumptuous postings we have been seeing as of late about here. This is certainly not the original spirit or intent of this forum, or of it's original founders/core members (you know who you are....grrrr).

This forum has always been about sharing knowledge pretty much unconditionally...
I am sometimes dismayed when I see it has in some respects become a sounding board for
personal grievances and rants concerning Revit/Autodesk. This forum is not Autodesk, it is
AUGI (volunteers), and it is a forum where certain key individuals give freely of their time and expertise, and ask for nothing in return. Of course we all understand that the board is monitored, but man, lets not turn this thing into a bash board! Nothing personal DaveP, but the big thumbs down, and "Let the flames begin" is about as close as you get to baiting/trolling.

On a more positive note, I would like to thank all on the Revit team for all there hard work, and also, monster props to all the mods and big time contributers who keep all the amateurs like me and the newbs progressing in our knowledge.

Thanks Peoples!

[Joef]

You are right BillyGrey, this is a fantastic forum. A true example of cooperation and sharing. I apologize for my negativity. It poisons the atmosphere unnecessarily.

Joe

[Wes Macaulay]

Whether or not Autodesk likes Revit, or whether the industry does or not, we like Tatjana. Although it is impossible to spell or pronounce her name, she has given us more or her ear than anyone else from the management side of Autodesk that I can remember!

Nice to have you on board Tatjana... Revit users are an infectiously positive bunch and I'd like to see that tradition continue, even if the big A whack-a-moles the support architects into moving 90 miles farther away from their families. D-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-h-h-h-h-h-h

[Wes Macaulay]

Joe, you are not going to get dis'd around here. No one is going to learn Revit by reading the help manual (which is woefully and utterly incomplete and scratches the surface of how the software works, unlike AutoCAD's help system, thought they have a few years' advantage), and the tutorials only go so far... all three of them :twisted:

So to learn Revit, you have to be here!

[Lashers]

I imagine Carl saying that, and then breaking out in uncontrollable laughter.....
I concur! I met Carl a year or so ago, and he would have had to been assimilated by the borg not to have intended that in jest . .

[DaveP]

I fully apologize for any negative "odor".

I by no means meant ANY disrespect to anyone here on the forum or anyone at the factory. The intent of my original post was to highlight what I see as corporate confusion at Autodesk HQ. I believe everyone involved in the production of Revit (factory as well as Beta testers) has great faith in the future of the product - As do I. It's just that, when the COO of the corporate parent says something that blatant, you've gotta expect reaction.

BTW, I meant to put the :screwy: icon on my post, but it's not available as a Post icon. And, my "flame" comment merely was intended to mean I expected to see strong response. I did not mean in any manner "Please bash Revit and/or Autodesk"

I am very much looking forward to converting our entire office (100 people) to Revit within the next year or 2.

[rookwood]

I am relatively new to both Revit and this forum, so my 2 pennies are probably not worth much. Someday, soon I hope, I also can be a contributor and offer help to others as I have received help on numerous occasions from many of you.

I grew up in a corporate world and what I see on this forum is not much different than what I saw in the office place. It is as old as time itself and will be here long after we are gone. As I said in an earlier post regarding the download issue, communication is paramount to success in any endeavor. Without communication, we all gather around the water cooler and speculate. To Autodesk, a simple posting would have eliminated all the speculation and venting we have been witness to the past several days.

I have read virtually all the postings regarding Revit 8, including all those posted after the official announcement on Friday and I don't feel that any were out of line so much that anyone need apologize. Most, if not all of us, have made a serious decision to embrace Revit while many of you have probably been instrumental in its development.

We have made a commitment not only to use this tool but to help nurture it out of it's infancy into the premiere product we have confidence it can be. I strongly believe that can only be achieved thru an open and frank dialog, often revealing our frustrations in ways that may seem caustic to others. If we can't openly express ourselves, sometimes with passion, we will surly miss a great opportunity that this forum gives us.

Does AutoDesk LIKE Revit? I don't know that I really care. As I see it, AutoDesk has unleashed something that, with our help, will grow into the software others can only emulate. You are a talented and gifted group of people who seem very dedicated to your cause. Don't lose your individuality.

[iru69]

Amen. Very nicely said.

[stuntmonkee]

I am relatively new to both Revit and this forum, so my 2 pennies are probably not worth much. Someday, soon I hope, I also can be a contributor and offer help to others as I have received help on numerous occasions from many of you.

I grew up in a corporate world and what I see on this forum is not much different than what I saw in the office place. It is as old as time itself and will be here long after we are gone. As I said in an earlier post regarding the download issue, communication is paramount to success in any endeavor. Without communication, we all gather around the water cooler and speculate. To Autodesk, a simple posting would have eliminated all the speculation and venting we have been witness to the past several days.

I have read virtually all the postings regarding Revit 8, including all those posted after the official announcement on Friday and I don't feel that any were out of line so much that anyone need apologize. Most, if not all of us, have made a serious decision to embrace Revit while many of you have probably been instrumental in its development.

We have made a commitment not only to use this tool but to help nurture it out of it's infancy into the premiere product we have confidence it can be. I strongly believe that can only be achieved thru an open and frank dialog, often revealing our frustrations in ways that may seem caustic to others. If we can't openly express ourselves, sometimes with passion, we will surly miss a great opportunity that this forum gives us.

Does AutoDesk LIKE Revit? I don't know that I really care. As I see it, AutoDesk has unleashed something that, with our help, will grow into the software others can only emulate. You are a talented and gifted group of people who seem very dedicated to your cause. Don't lose your individuality.

WORD . . . . . .

[Wes Macaulay]

Rookwood, your posts are more challenging for me to parse. But that's good.

You've got a sort of 3rd person perspective on architecture it seems - that's also good. I would like to hear you explain more of what you mean by the users 'not losing their individuality'. I found the comment ambiguous but interesting.

Revit for me represents a halfway to Nirvana state where building documentation is really taken to the next level. It ain't heaven, and it ain't AutoCAD hell either. (It's CAD for Catholics!) This forum is collectively a team of grumpy old men, geeks, wanna-be's, enlightened CAD monkeys, and trolls. They seem, from my perspective, as hopelessly individualistic as Hemingway could have ever hoped for.

[beegee]

>>> This forum is collectively a team of grumpy old men, geeks, wanna-be's, enlightened CAD monkeys, and trolls. >>>.
Do we each get to pick one persona or can we mix'nmatch ? :lol:

[funkman]

I would now really like to turn all of this on the positive side - since when is this forum so doubtful?
For my two cents... I dont even bother reading about negative things that someone on here has been famous for. I dont bother with the arguments and wont understand why some people bite. I now know Revit and understand its nature. It has taken me a year or so to really find my feet. But now, I consider my life in two forms....BR and AR. I dont have the time or the inclination to get stuck into the negative side but I do appreciate the wishlist items - these items being designed to make the software function more effectively and allow us the same efficeiencies. So if I dont like a poster's comments, I dont read it.

And i know that the usual suspects on this forum (you know, grumpy old men, geeks, wanna-be's, enlightened CAD monkeys, and trolls) greatly appreciate all the assistance given from the actual software develoeprs. Like someone said similarly in another thread, I cant imagine another software company that speaks to the users as directly on this forum. And for that, I say a huge thank you!

[luigi]

...Revit for me represents a halfway to Nirvana state where building documentation is really taken to the next level. It ain't heaven, and it ain't AutoCAD hell either. (It's CAD for Catholics!) ...Hmm, in this statement the meaning is not easy to understand...I'll take it though to be positive :D

[rookwood]

Rookwood, your posts are more challenging for me to parse. But that's good.

You've got a sort of 3rd person perspective on architecture it seems - that's also good. I would like to hear you explain more of what you mean by the users 'not losing their individuality'. I found the comment ambiguous but interesting.

.

Wes,

If you look at the posts in this thread, you will see a turn that, in my opinion, is not beneficial to the overall intent of this or any forum...to better ourselves and our product.

To begin, the original post by DaveP is his opinion and he felt a desire to solicit thoughts from others. I happen to concur with DaveP wholeheartedly. Even though I have been a Revit user for only a few months, I am passionate about Revit and took his phrase "Let the flames begin!!!!" as a war cry to stand behind what I believe in.

Joef follows with comments about the dated materials Autodesk uses and, again, I have to agree. As a newcomer, I found the online tutorials invaluable and ran thru them very quickly. Do you, or anyone, believe that we, as users should be making up the content for a product which we pay dearly for. This is not a fledgling shareware company.

Then along comes Tatjana, the Revit Building Product Manager, and says "I would now really like to turn all of this on the positive side - since when is this forum so doubtful?". And, like a school of fish in the ocean, we all turn around and follow the new leader.

BillGrey then posts "Of course we all understand that the board is monitored, but man, lets not turn this thing into a bash board! Nothing personal DaveP, but the big thumbs down, and "Let the flames begin" is about as close as you get to baiting/trolling."

I saw the original post differently than others apparently did. We have to take the bad along with the good. For the successful future of Revit, Autodesk NEEDS to know how we feel and where we believe the shortcomings are. They will know only if we remain individuals and are allowed to openly express our thoughts.

BTW: This is meant to be constructive critism and not to be taken in a negative manner. I am 1000% behind Autodesk, Revit and AUGI! In fact, I am going to Nashville in a few weeks to give a little 'BEGINNERS' training ( from a beginner) to an architect friend of mine.

[Batman]

As an 'infant' user I can give you my 1 & 1/2 cents;

If it wasn't for this forum (which I read daily) I may not have bothered with Revit. With this software, as many others, as soon as you hit a few snags that takes you forever to resolve the tendency is to drop it like a bad habit. You know with Revit you have friends in this forum you can turn to that will help right when you need it. Friends who won't judge.

If this forum wasn't open and free in it's discussions, as soon as there's whiff that its tainted, then it can easily be cast off as being one sided, prejudiced ie. useless. This forum (99% of times) accepts problems and then puts real effort into resolving them, and not only particular individuals but strongly bound teams that all add value to the solutions.

I think the thanks for this should go to many; the initial Zoog forum, the factory workers, the volunteers and partly Adesk workers (I'd have to think long and hard about the corporate monster and whether they receive any credit).

I really don't see anything wrong with someone voicing their views. Division starts as soon as one decides to define something as negative or positive, white or black, north or south.

But guess what? It doesn't matter, its all just diversion, we should keep focus on what the real problem was.......

[Wes Macaulay]

Hmm, in this statement the meaning is not easy to understand...I'll take it though to be positive :DIt is. Revit is the best thing out there for what I, and many others, want to do: CDs from a virtual building model. BTW I'm an odd flavour of Protestant and I have Catholics in my office; we tease each other often on certain aspects of our beliefs.

I see your train of thought now, rookwood... many of us (myself included) were Revit users before the buyout, and we are vigilant in watching Autodesk's every [visible] move. It's my hope that, while the software really is the best you can get IMEO, we retain a general positivity while being clear about what needs improvement.

Autodesk as a profit machine / juggernaut / monopoly historically hasn't seemed to be well-aligned with user interests. They've gotten better, but the battle between profitability and user needs must surely be continuing. For example, the consolidation and move of Revit tech support personnel has caused some people to quit, most of whom were with Revit before the buyout and whose experience will be missed. And now they'll be supporting ADT and Revit? That's retarded! Oh wait... I do that :screwy:

Nonetheless I don't mind Tatjana keeping us positive. We have a lot to like about this software. The developers are without peer, the software does what it promises (more or less), and there's nothing else we can buy that will do what this program does. I still want non-in-place-family sloped walls and hatching to align with walls even if the wall is drawn on an angle, Aaron Rumple wants groups to work, people want curbs that follow topo and the list goes on. Revit has holes, but they're getting filled.

[DaveP]

To begin, the original post by DaveP is his opinion and he felt a desire to solicit thoughts from others. I happen to concur with DaveP wholeheartedly. Even though I have been a Revit user for only a few months, I am passionate about Revit and took his phrase "Let the flames begin!!!!" as a war cry to stand behind what I believe in.


Thanks, rook.
I was beginning to think no one understood me (not even my wife, but that's another story)
This thread has certainly gone off in a completely different direction than I expected. I admit it was foolish of me to throw in the "flames begin" crack. I think what happened was a lot of the anguish being expressed in an earlier thread about the release of 8 spilled over to my thread.

What I originally intended - and I'd still like to know - is why would Corporate allow their COO to be quoted in a major CAD magazine saying, basically that Revit does not have a future?

It's my personal belief that, if Revit doesn't have a future, then neither does Autodesk.
Probably not me, either.

[rookwood]

Nonetheless I don't mind Tatjana keeping us positive.

I think it is healthy for all involved that Tatjana be an active part of this forum and she can keep us positive by keeping us informed (within the limits permitted her). I, personally, would rather hear bad news from the horse's mouth than no news. That's not going to happen however.

I do hope, though, that she not be too sensitive and misconstrue criticism as negativity. Occasionally this forum becomes a healing station for ailing members who, thru frustration, disappointment, anguish, etc. openly express their feelings and their issues.

Again, I agree with DaveP that this thread has gone off track. Like a runaway train, either by happenstance or by design. Does it not disturb us enough that we don't care to hold this man accountable for such a public statement. Realizing that ADT is THE profit center for Autodesk, his support for it should not be at the expense of Revit's faithful.

In retrospect, how can Tatjana ask "since when is this forum so doubtful?" when her boss publicly says "Architectural Desktop won't go away any time in the near future.
People are very happy with it…….
It may outlive Revit."
- Carl Bass, Autodesk COO

[Paul Monsef]

In retrospect, how can Tatjana ask "since when is this forum so doubtful?" when her boss publicly says "Architectural Desktop won't go away any time in the near future.
People are very happy with it…….
It may outlive Revit."
- Carl Bass, Autodesk COO
I believe that very same person said "Revit IS the future..." back when Autodesk purchased Revit.

So, "since when is this forum so doubtful?"

[DaveP]

"since when is this forum so doubtful?"
Here, here!!!
My original post by no means meant I agreed with the quote.
Far from it. I expected a flood of "How dare he say that!!!" comments.

Frankly, I'm surprised more people DIDN'T rise to Revit's defense.

[GuyR]

In retrospect, how can Tatjana ask "since when is this forum so doubtful?" when her boss publicly says "Architectural Desktop won't go away any time in the near future.
People are very happy with it…….
It may outlive Revit."

Imagine how the developers feel with comments like this. A lot of Autodesk's developers must have been pretty ****** when Autodesk purchased Revit. The internal politics are probably significant.

ADT and Revit continuing to be developed in parallel is not Autodesk's fault. They'll keep developing what sells. This is still my biggest concern with Autodesk owning Revit. They're not interested in convincing or showing designers why Revit is such a revolution. If architects in mass moved to Revit you'd see ADT die a quick death. It also doesn't help Revit has no significant competition.

IMO Revit failed as a startup and ADT continues to be developed because:

1.. large numbers of Architects and Designers don't understand Revit or BIM. And therefore why ADT isn't truely a BIM application.
2.. Architects and Designers seem hell bent on resisting process changes.
3.. In general the schools are still producing graduates more familiar with 2D technology than 3D processes.
4.. Revit has no real competition as of today. If Bentley get there act together with formative components or ArchiCAD 10 is a significant improvement this might change.(Somehow I doubt it)

Guy

[Scott D Davis]

Frankly, I'm surprised more people DIDN'T rise to Revit's defense.Honestly, for me, it was because I think his comment was made in jest. "ADT might outlive Revit." then a long pause....then "Yeah right!" followed by a room of laughter! "Hey that was a good one!"

As far as schools producing people only familiar with 2D, well times are changing! Soon, I will posting images from Santiago High School in Corona, CA, in which a high school class is being taught Revit. They entered a design competition, and took the TOP 3 Places in California, and are now off to the National competition in May in St. Louis!

[GuyR]

As far as schools producing people only familiar with 2D

I did say in general Scott :-) Frankly I'd remove all 2D CAD programs from all Schools of Architecture today. They have no relevance in the teaching of architecture. They're are an inherently unarchitectural (is that a word?) tool.

Imagine if the schools said, "look 2D's never really worked well. We're only going to allow students to develop digital skills in true BIM applications from today.Bye bye 2D CAD."

Guy

[trombe]

Guy.
VUW SOA have Revit and actively use it for student tuition and environmental studies I believe.
They even published some tutorials on the web for beginners....
Students are now coming out of VUW with some Revit skills although, I do not know to what level...you would have to think some will be very clever with Revit.

Good to see.
cheers
trombe

[carl.bass]

It was just a joke. Maybe not that funny, but a joke nonethess. We continue to invest heavily in the development of both Revit and Architectural Desktop.

Carl

[Wes Macaulay]

It's tough when people take you seriously 100% of the time, isn't it? You'll have to give us a secret signal so we know when you're joking ;-)

[Scott D Davis]

Thanks for responding Carl! I figured you didn't make the statement in a serious manner.

We would be honered to have you drop by here more often and give us your thoughts!

[BillyGrey]

It was just a joke. Maybe not that funny, but a joke nonethess. We continue to invest heavily in the development of both Revit and Architectural Desktop.

Carl

This is probably the first and last time I'll get to quote you directly Carl!!!

:)

Keep Coming Back.

Thanks,

Bill Cooper

(ps, nice catch Scott, you nailed it)

[Andrew Dobson]

Most Architectural Schools in the uk that I know of use ArchiCAD. At mine, The University of Huddersfield, we had AutoCAD/ADT as well but nobody was interested in it as there was no pre-conception about software to begin with.

Coming out of university knowing ArchiCAD and then having to use AutoCAD every day is pretty demoralising to say the least!

I would say that the problem with adoption of 3D is individuals and practices being scared of change. Graduates may not know everything, but I would suggest that we are on the whole fairly clued up about how **** the 2D CAD systems are as we have the perspective gained from knowing how to use them!

AutoDesk are a very effective business, they will sell what people want (or think they want, or even tell them what they want). They are also clever in having an established product (AutoCAD/ADT which people use despite it's limitations) and a good product with a future (Revit). I don't think they "like" a particular product, they "like" making money, and will sell software that helps them do that, be it AutoCAD/ADT or Revit.

I don't see how they could ditch Revit, as AutoCAD/ADT has such severe technical limitations that they cant really do anything more with it (and haven't for 5 years). I think (hope) that Revit Structure (which will have not have an AutoCAD equivalent) will be the beginning of a gradual (10 years or so) change over to Revit based systems.

[Lashers]

Carl,

As a forum newbie! I would like to welcome you on behalf of our fellow users, and let you know that we (mostly the others who are kings of Revit) are more than happy to assist you with any queries regarding the use of Revit. We all know how hard it is when you take up a new program, so feel free to ask any questions . . .

:-)

[rookwood]

Personally, I prefer software smarter than I am.

Using 2D (AutoCAD, ADT, etc.) would be 'dumbing down' and I yearn for the day when I have the experience to, with confidence, remove ADT from my computer.

This is my message to AutoDesk!

[Andrew Dobson]

It was just a joke. Maybe not that funny, but a joke nonethess. We continue to invest heavily in the development of both Revit and Architectural Desktop.

Carl

How do we know that this is the real Carl Bass?

[Max Lloyd]

its an imposter, get him!!!!

(who said working on a computer too much makes you paranoid?)

[Steve_Stafford]

How do we know that this is the real Carl Bass?Mr. Bass has been a member of the Revit forum since before Zoogdesign joined AUGI, as has Mr. Bernstein. I can assure you this member is genuine.

[DaveP]

Thanks for the response, Carl. I really appreciate your clearing it up. We knew you were behind Revit. That's why it was so puzzling to see a quote like that in what's basically the only CAD magazine left. Especially since it was nothing more than a quote out of context.

Since I started this mess, I've sent an email to Cadalyst asking for their take on it.
I've also asked their permission to post an image of the page with the quote.

[Andrew Dobson]

Mr. Bass has been a member of the Revit forum since before Zoogdesign joined AUGI, as has Mr. Bernstein. I can assure you this member is genuine.

Do you have to call him Mr Bass in the office then ;)

[ppelegrin]

ADT and Revit continuing to be developed in parallel is not Autodesk's fault. They'll keep developing what sells. This is still my biggest concern with Autodesk owning Revit. They're not interested in convincing or showing designers why Revit is such a revolution. If architects in mass moved to Revit you'd see ADT die a quick death. It also doesn't help Revit has no significant competition.
Guy

Hi Guy,

First, I believe that Resellers are largely responsible for convincing designers with Revit over ADT. Sure Autodesk provides overall 'brand awareness' etc, but its the local people who provide face to face contact that broadens Revit sales - thats why Autodesk's business model is successful and continues to rely on 'local' resellers as its main revenue source...

AND in this part of the world, regarding new licence seats, Revit outsells ADT today (Australia). But yes while ADT sells, Autodesk would be crazy to remove it - the rest of the world is catching up though, and we will continue to see Revit replace/remove ADT seats, I have no doubt.

I beg to differ on competition, although I read your comment as highlighting the 'technical' superiority - which I won't argue, whether perceived or otherwise, ArchiCAD is still considered "The" Architects choice (good on them for successful marketing), and Revit is still the new boy on the block, a ways to go before it supposedly proves itself. Even if we have surpassed their unit sales, the perception is still very strong.

In some ways I am thankful to Graphisoft, promoting Revit is easier because they have already been pounding the streets with their own version of BIM and 3D for many years, which in turn makes Autodesk's job easier.

Regarding the original topic: Go to Autodesks web site and choose "Building" Its all references to Revit, no sight of an ADT link.

Regards
P Pelegrin

[Wes Macaulay]

Good point on the Autodesk website... that says something, I would think.

Here on the west coast, Revit is outselling ArchiCAD. By a long shot! ArchiCAD is not even known that well out here.

As many of us have determined, ADT isn't really a great solution. I know they're working hard to change that, but as long as you have to use AutoCAD as the platform, your solution is going to be a cobbling together of work-arounds.

The single-file database system is for more elegant, and simpler for the user to manage. And also scarier... many people are scared about having their eggs in one basket.

[DaveP]

Here's what Cadalyst had to say:



Hello, David,
That quote was taken from a phone interview with Carl Bass. We saw it as a lighthearted reassurance to ADT users that Autodesk remained committed to that product. We've encountered a good deal of uncertainty among those users in the past few years. In fact, from our perspective, Autodesk really likes Revit, and hardly mentions ADT anymore. It sounds from the forum thread, however, that some Revit users don't have the same perception.

Unfortunately, I can't give you permission to post a copy of the page. I was going to send a link to the web site version (http://aec.cadalyst.com/aec/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=156476 (http://aec.cadalyst.com/aec/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=156476)), but it turns out the quote wasn't included there. I'm trying to get that fixed as soon as possible.

Best regards,

Sara

Guess it's kind of like trying to be sarcastic in an email - all you read are the words & not the emotion.

[FK]

Guess it's kind of like trying to be sarcastic in an email - all you read are the words & not the emotion.
So we need smileys in the journals? ;-)

[Wes Macaulay]

So we need smileys in the journals? ;-)And expletives.

[LRaiz]

It was just a joke. Maybe not that funny, but a joke nonethess. We continue to invest heavily in the development of both Revit and Architectural Desktop.

Carl
To say that was not funny would be an understatement. During my stay with Autodesk I witnessed continuing commitment and investment in Revit. AUGI members are very generous in their readiness to overlook Carl's unfortunate choice of words. However I must say that these words could only qualify as a dumb joke and hopefully Carl now realizes that. Can anyone imagine a GM senior executive quipping to a magazine that Chevrolet might outlive Saturn when GM was trying to establish Saturn in the market place? Nonetheless I see no reason to read any deliberate anti-Revit intentions into Carl's words. Autodesk positions Revit and ADT as products serving different needs of two different market segments. If interested you can read the official Autodesk BIM positioning paper here (http://images.autodesk.com/adsk/files/4749533_3773752_BIM_in_Practice.pdf)

[rookwood]

Works for me Lenoid...stated simply and very well.

[mlgatzke]

I agree. Let's not "beat a dead horse". Let's just think of how much joy this statement brought to ADT users and laugh to ourselves.

[knurrebusk]

[QUOTE=LRaiz]To say that was not funny would be an understatement. During my stay Autodesk positions Revit and ADT as products serving different needs"

This is not my view, Revit will get on the heels of many Autodesk products in time!
I´m investing all my skills in Revit/Inventor.