Have You Seen This?

[Kevin Janik]

Have people seen this article?

http://aec.cadalyst.com/aec/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=158813

Is Revit heading this way also?

Kevin

[BillyGrey]

Well, what next, 6-7-or maybe 8-d???
Looks like Archicad with project management and estimating software integrated.

I thought this was an interesting quote from this article:

"In essence, it allows us to build the building virtually, before ever putting a shovel in the ground."

This is what Revit has been about since the beggining.

[Scott D Davis]

"The construction industry is ready for dramatic change," says Graphisoft CEO Dominic Gallello..... "Up to 25% of any construction project is waste. He must have seen Phil Bernstein's Vision Tour. This is almost a direct quote from Phil's lecture.

[Joef]

I'm not sure, but I suspect that the assembly codes that are an integral and mostly ignored part of Revit could assist in this activity. Imagine if the assembly codes knew their construction sequence. You could build your model, then run a simulation that would build your structure sequentially with time span alloted for each assembly. I don't think this is too far fetched.

[jtobin.68416]

I believe this is the fruit of the IFC collaboration that ArchiCAD was involved with some years ago. I've attached a URL to another article I happened to see two days ago, that I had thought would generate more interest - REVIT has attained some IFC compliance - so it is heading in that direction!

http://www.tenlinks.com/NEWS/PR/AUTODESK/revit/042805_ifc.htm

I saw an early session on this collaboration some years ago at AEC Systems 2001.
As I remember it, to jumpstart the slow pace of development of IFC standards acceptance, the IFC group (IAI) decided some years ago to select a group of applications by certain manufacturers and just see how IFC interoperability would play out (the group was called the 'interoperability' something, I think). I remember YIT being a player, also Visio was in the mix because it could translate between CAD and other programs. There as also an energy analysis software that wanted to link to it.
All in all there were 8 companies I think.

I think this is a real breakthrough. Development of interoperability standards is key for our multidisciplinary world.
Although this looks like it's resulted in a proprietary solution, I'm going to be very interested to see if it can be replicated, or if it will generate more interest in the IFC model.

[Dimitri Harvalias]

Well, what next, 6-7-or maybe 8-d???

6D - Virtual Commissioning
7D - Virtual Envelope Issues
8D - Virtual Lawsuit
9D - Virtual Arbitration
10D- Virtual kiss and make up
11D - Virtual Repeat Client?

;)
All kidding aside, this seems very exciting and what I envisioned Revit to be when I first saddled up to it. The 'virtual building' makes so much sense and can be so useful on so many levels. I'm beginning work on some stuff that will hopefully change the way projects get delivered. I have contractors, clients and architects alike very excited about the changes coming in the whole process of building delivery. It's so enjoyable being able to look into the future as opposed to just getting the next job done the same way it's always been done.
I'm just along for the ride and I'm having way too much fun!

[raeburnmark]

Interesting thread, lets hope Revit can keep up.

How about 12D virtual sleep?

There is also a product out for Revit called e-specs which purportedly will strip materials information from the model and generate a basic spec book!!! I haven't tried it yet (costs $1000 plus) so I can't vouch for how well it works, but it sounds great.

All the best

Mark

[knurrebusk]

I´m not impressed by Graphisoft anymore, just plain sad.
Perhaps they lack dynamic leadership, I don´t know.

ID software is big enough to be arrogant in the game industry, Graphisoft is not.

[hand471037]

I´m not impressed by Graphisoft anymore, just plain sad.

Yeah, what's really going on here is that Graphisoft found out that several large contractors out there were creating BIM models from the Architect's 2D drawings for Preconstruction planning, so they now made a version of ArchiCAD that supports that to try to cash in. Nothing really new here, for Webcore (the example given) has done this sort of thing for years now, with both ArchiCAD and Revit, but I think they went stronger on the ArchiCAD path due to IFC and Timberline.

However, from what I've heard, even if they got a model from someone using ArchiCAD, the proposed 'workflow' is *still* for them to remodel and rework it in this new package for Preconstruction. Add to it the fact that ArchiCAD also has a special version for FM that still requires the same remodel/reworking, and I don't know, but that doesn't sound very BIM to me. Personally.

I think Graphisoft is panicking a little bit, at least in the American Market, for they never really had any competition here, and now Autodesk is knocking on their door, and in other areas like 'down under' it's starting to take away market share.

And, as my new boss likes to say, they have been at this for twenty years now. And it still hasn't taken off in a big way. And they show up at even conference, and at every convention, and talk about how they can do counts, talk about how they can do costing, talk about how they can do BIM. But never really show someone doing those things easily, there own userbase isn't doing those things like they present, and overall it's more Marketing than reality.

Like their new big crowing point that the GSA is going to 'recommend' them as 'the' BIM package they will require, when nothing of the sort is in the pipe, all that's happened is the GSA has said that it wants BIM on the table in the future for all projects, and is still trying to figure out a way to do that, and has actually stated that it's NOT going to bias it toward any one product for they feel it was unfair for them to require AutoCAD DWG's so many years ago for it heavily influenced the market of the time...

I donno. The model looks cool. But until I see a large office making good use of ArchiCAD as a true BIM, I'm skeptical, for even one of the largest local users of ArchiCAD here in San Francisco is using it more like a drafting tool, and not doing much real BIM with it from what I've seen, and still building their models in other 3D applications for Renderings and such. Now why is that?

[knurrebusk]

I´m cooperating with an Archicad user/Architect on a 900 square m project, things are ok!
But Archicad seem to make the user insecure!

And I know big time, drawed 360m´s fishfarms in Archicad some years ago.
It was a scary thing, you could not trust the BIM theory.

[GuyR]

I´m not impressed by Graphisoft anymore, just plain sad.
Perhaps they lack dynamic leadership, I don´t know.

What they lack is $$$$$$$$$.