Any Dynamic projects out there?

[raeburnmark]

I am fairly new to Revit and am still learning basics, I have seen some nice projects posted in the galleries but most of them are fairly straight forward as far as design goes.
Does anyone have images of more dynamic projects utilizing more complex forms? I really need to be stimulated and inspired to keep climbing this steep learning curve.

Thank you,

Mark

[knurrebusk]

I spend most of my time with modern architecture, but if you are into curved forms Catia/Inventor/Rhino etc! should inspire you.

But if the Revit team get going with curvy stuff! things will change!

[raeburnmark]

Already bought Revit!!!

Lots of great features, I know it's possible to make dynamic forms, curves etc. - I have made a few in my experiments while learning the software but I don't have the skills yet to incorporate into a project.

There must be someone out there - please post.

[FK]

Well, there's that Freedom Tower thingy...

[knurrebusk]

"The Freedom Tower thing"

I think this is a bunch of talented people that in due time will share their experience.
My respect for your work is very deep.

But normal hard working architects/builders/drafters etc, are more than happy with
things that seem simple to you.

I worry about curves in a hilly road ;)

[hand471037]

Well, there's that Freedom Tower thingy...

Also there is a great example somewhere on AUGI that was done for last year's AU concerning 'organic' modeling where the mighty Marty R. modeled a Frank Geary building to show how it can be done using Revit. I think there is a PDF available for download from the AU site that shows his presentation.

In the mean time, heavily investigate the Massing tool sets, and generating in-place families, and the Ruled Curtain System, and I think you'll have enough swoops and twists to keep you occupied for a while. ;-)

And post your questions here! Is there a particular form you're going for right now? maybe we can help out...

[knurrebusk]

Before I´ll reach bedtime!

Attach x/y curved/spline windows on a curved/spline shaped wall, and make them follow the same spline/curve sweep wall.
Simple but difficult.

I´m not English speaking, but this is the next step in design.

[FK]

Attach x/y curved/spline windows on a curved/spline shaped wall, and make them follow the same spline/curve sweep wall.
Simple but difficult.
Possible to implement in Revit, difficult in the real world (how much will that non-ruled/revolved glass cost?) Which means there's not that much demand, which means it's not very high priority.

[raeburnmark]

Thanks everyone for your input.

FK you seem kind of bitter! Things are changing in architecture. Technology and manufacturing techniques are making things that used to be too difficult or too expensive to do/build much easier, and I for one would like to take advantage of that (one of the reasons I bought into BIM).

As far as the Freedom Tower thingy, I haven't seen very much on that, also I read somewhere that they weren't using only Revit anymore. Perhaps they will share more on the experience at some point.

Jeffrey, thank you for your kind words, I have been experimenting with the massing and in place families with some success, the problem for me seems to be the lack of ability to modify the forms I generate which makes it difficult to line things up or to adjust the shape easily without having to recreate the form. Maybe I'm missing something on this point, as I said I'm still a newbie. I will look for the project you mentioned, if anyone can point me in the right direction I would love to see it. I will post questions as they come up.

As a "normal hard working architect.." I try to push the boundaries of each project I work on and enjoy entering design competitions. It was not my intent to imply that anything here was "simple" only that I would like to master Revit and push the limits.

So far I love Revit and have a great deal of respect for anyone and everyone who finds time to help out and share in these forums. I can only hope that one day my knowledge base and expertise will allow me to contribute and help others (I'm sure we'll be on version 12 by the time that happens).

[Wes Macaulay]

I've worked on some projects where Rhino was used to create the original design, and then we parroted the process (or re-engineered it) to work with Revit's more limited suite of modeling tools.

Check out the attached file...

[Arnel Aguel]

Nice modeling Wes but I'm kinda lost with with your Sweep Void as the path was sketched at the detail view how did you manage to position it to the right place to cut your blend family?

Just ignore my post I got it it wasn't actually drawn at the detail level It can be sketched at any view as long as you know exactly your reference point relative to your family. In Wes case the profile is offset very far from the path that is why I did not notice it right away.

[raeburnmark]

OK, now we're talking. Jeff is this what you were talking about (see attached)? I haven't tried it yet, it looks complicated, but this is the sort of thing I was looking for.
I also managed to find some organic tensile fabric forms which look quite promising too. I will post information as I come across it for others reviewing this thread.

Thanks again for your help

[hand471037]

OK, now we're talking. Jeff is this what you were talking about (see attached)? I haven't tried it yet, it looks complicated, but this is the sort of thing I was looking for.
I also managed to find some organic tensile fabric forms which look quite promising too. I will post information as I come across it for others reviewing this thread.

Thanks again for your help

That's the one. When I've got more time I'll post some of my own examples/tips along these lines too.

[raeburnmark]

Wes, I have no idea what Arnel is talking about (over my head at this point) but the model is neat. Is there really no way to generate something like that in Revit?

[Scott D Davis]

Wes' file was generated in Revit.

[MikeJarosz]

As far as the Freedom Tower thingy, I haven't seen very much on that, also I read somewhere that they weren't using only Revit anymore. Perhaps they will share more on the experience at some point.

Not only are we still using Revit on the Freedom Tower, we have started another project at SOM NY in Revit.

James Vandezande and I have posted a number of memos over the last 18 months cautioning readers to be careful about what they read about the Freedom Tower. This project is of enormous interest to many, many different people. The amount of buzz is uncontrollable. Google News listed 105 stories this morning alone.

As Oscar Wilde once said: "The only thing worse than being talked about..... is NOT being talked about"!

[raeburnmark]

Hi Mike, thanks for setting me straight on the Freedom tower "thingy" I meant no disrespect. It must be very exciting to be working on such a high profile project. I haven't seen any other posts about the project here but I will look for them, how is it coming?

I don't remember where the article was that I was reading but I thought it mentioned that the Autodesk suite of products was being used including Revit - which led me to think that possibly Autocad, ADT or Viz might also be used.

All the best and good luck.

[raeburnmark]

PROPERTY REPORT



July 7, 2004






New Dimensions in Design

With 3-D Drawing Software, Freedom Tower Architects
Put Mind's Eye on a PC Screen

By ALEX FRANGOS
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

“…….Exciting as the new programs may be, they aren't perfect or even ready for full use. Skidmore is using Revit on a limited basis, mostly for the design of the lower floors of the Freedom Tower. It will use traditional CAD programs for the remaining floors. Another hitch is the size and complexity of the files the programs create. "There's a huge amount of data most civilians can't interact with," says Phil Bernstein, an Autodesk vice president……..”

So, is this article miss informed?

[GuyR]

July 7, 2004

??? - (almost) a year is a long time in Revit years...


"There's a huge amount of data most civilians can't interact with," says Phil Bernstein,

??????????????

[beegee]

There's articles and then there's articles...


Software used for Freedom Tower gets updated

By Matthew Phair, Contributing Editor

Reprinted courtesy of Building Design & Construction, 04/01/2005.




>> For example, the program is being used by architect Skidmore, Owings & Merrill and its design-team partners to design the Freedom Tower at the World Trade Center site in Lower Manhattan. The Tower was modeled solely in Revit, and a schematic design set, including 132 drawing sheets, was released in September.

>>According to Vandezande, the SOM team of approximately 30 people are using Revit for all the structures in the subgrade, plus the tower’s cores, structure, enclosure, and cable net structure on top. It’s also being used as a documentation tool. Hardware requirements are simply a single-processor workstation with 2 gigabytes of memory. Total size for all files in the Revit models total just 220 megabytes.


>> Skidmore is using Revit on a limited basis, mostly for the design of the lower floors of the Freedom Tower. It will use traditional CAD programs for the remaining floors. >>So, is this article miss informed?