Framing Plans (carried over from alt.cad.revit)

[gregcashen]

I disagree with there being multiple versions of Revit. I think it just
needs to be incorporated into the program as a whole. I think everyone would
benefit from this in some way...especially if it allowed basic insertion of
structural elements into wall families - i.e. you could insert a vertical
2x4 @ 16" o.c. into a wall, and it would figure out most of the framing for
you. Or in a CMU wall, you could insert #4 bars @ 32" o.c. and if you cut
the wall, it would show the reinforcing. Also, maybe there could be a dialog
that specified several of the most common end framing configurations...just
like wall joins, where you can select how walls butt/miter to one another,
you could specify number of corner studs and orientation. Special cases
could be handled in a case-by-case fashion. Or you could just turn off
"Structural Framing" option, and none of this would clutter your models and
increase your file size. Or maybe just a new category in the visibility
settings would work.

For now, what do you think of this...wall based families of stud framing,
with parametric arrays determining the stud layout (i.e. spacing). For
Headers, jack studs and king posts, you could include these in the window
family. Set the visibility so that they do not display in normal plan views,
but in framing views, they would.

Hey family masters...could this be done in a relatively straighforward way?

Thanks,
Greg

BTW, I am going to move this over to Zoog.


"Scott Robinson" <robinsonmac@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3ec3f28e_2@news.revit.com...
> That is what I was thinking. Even if Revit just got the basic layout for
me
> & allowed me to modify that to how I want would be a God send. This will
> allow for customization to each firms needs from the basic framing. Which
is
> how the other programs that I have used that have framing capabilities
> handle it.
>
> Maybe there could be a "Revit for light commercial & residential" version
> that has these types of tools. What do you guys think?
>
> Scott
>
> "Greg Cashen" <ten.knilhtrae@ccd_nehsacg> wrote in message
> news:3ec3de84$1_3@news.revit.com...
> > I agree. At least they have the capability.
> >
> > I would like to see Revit create a method for specifying what the
internal
> > components of a compound wall look like. I know this would be complex
and
> > would add to file size, so if it was in the wall properties dialog box,
> you
> > could opt not to show the framing. In my case, as a primarily structural
> guy
> > doing full sets of plans, I would love to be able to show headers,
studs,
> > holdowns, etc. It would make linking to my typical details much more
> > meaningful.
> >
> > Even if there was a parametric family that had a certain number of studs
> > based on the wall length and spacing, and I had to add special members
at
> > holdowns, windows, doors, etc, that would work for me...
> >
> > Hmm, now that I think about it, I may try this.
> >
> > G
> >
> > "Scott Robinson" <robinsonmac@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:3ec3d81d_3@news.revit.com...
> > > That is true in some cases. "gee, look at all those errors! " come on
> > now.
> > > You make it seem like it the program just blows & there is nothing
good
> > > about it. Every program has it good & bad points. I try to stay away
> > from
> > > slamming or outright dismissing the whole program. In those cases
those
> > > errors where there are errors they can be can be cleaned up easily. &
> of
> > > course with every version they become less & less. That is not the
> point.
> > > The point is if is simple $50 program & many other cad packages can do
> I'm
> > > sure Revit could also & they probably could make it work better. At
> least
> > > the other have that capability
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> > > "Thomas Cummings" <thoscon@chartermi.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3ec3a080$1_3@news.revit.com...
> > > > Sure Chief Architect and Softplan "do it". Now zoom in
> > > > close..............gee, look at all those errors! Peices sticking
out
> > of
> > > > the roof! Hmm, I wonder how they affect the "exact" materials
list?
> > > >
> > > > Thomas
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Michael Coviello]

Along with the walls, It would be great if roofs, floors and ceilings worked this way too. The software is 90% there in this regard since we already specify the assembly's structural thickness. If there was another combo box which specifies 12" o.c., 16" o.c. or user defined, it would be great.
I don't know much about how it would be programmed but i think they would reference the appropriate structural member in the assembly's properties. The tricky part is how to deal with hips/valleys and overframing conditions. Perhaps when you "join roofs" you also specify overframing or actual live valley and what those members are.

Maybe this should go on the wishlist-sorry for the long post.

On a separate note: Does anyone know how i can use linework on part of a structural member in plan? For instance, I need to indicate an overframed roof. Typically I show a solid line and where it breaks through the other roof, I show a dashed line. I've used detail lines for roof framing which avoids this issue but i'm hoping there's a way to achieve this linework w/structural members. 8)
Thanks.

[beegee]

Does anyone know how i can use linework on part of a structural member in plan? For instance, I need to indicate an overframed roof. Typically I show a solid line and where it breaks through the other roof, I show a dashed line. I've used detail lines for roof framing which avoids this issue but i'm hoping there's a way to achieve this linework w/structural members.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your question, but when you apply the linework tool to the structural member, two blue grips appear at each end of the member. If you slide one of these grips, the linework will only change for the part between the two grips. So you could change part of a member to a dashed line style and the other part remains as a solid line. ( in coarse view )
Does that achieve what you are after ?

[gregcashen]

I understand that Revit 6 will have wall framing tools. After that the roof and floor tools will be getting updated as well.

[Michael Coviello]

I never thought to drag the grips :banghead:
that's exactly what i was looking for; thanks.