Revit 8.1?

[BomberAIA]

I just got an e-mail to download 8.1. Does anyone know what improved?

[Wagurto]

I think the download is for the beta test program.

[BWG]

It is supposed to be a major upgrade when available to the public.

[zanzibarbob7]

During the last Beta, installed next to 7.0, I had a problem with opening a new or old file defaulting to the Beta. Then I could not switch it back to 7.0 Everything worked fine for the complexity on our projects, but it is a caveat.

I could have avoided this by opening 7.0 then opening a current project from there, but if I did not take that step I was stuck in the Beta for the remainder of the project. I think the best think would be to install the Beta on a different computer or be very mindful of y our proceedures.

I love to see the new releases coming out so quickly.

[FK]

Right-click on an rvt file
Select Open with...
Browse to the instance of Revit you want to use by default
Select Always use the selected program...
Click OK

Repeat for other file types you open directly (rfa).

[tarch]

I just got an e-mail to download 8.1. Does anyone know what improved?
There are release notes.

[Scott D Davis]

There is no 8.1 download on the Autodesk site....last build was 0620

[zanzibarbob7]

FK.

Thanks for the tip. I generally open my Revit files from the folder they are saved in. I will do as you suggest if I download the Beta. T hanks for keeping me straight.

[christopher.zoog51272]

It is on Beta site. You have to register first so your "Feedback Portal" can be updated to contain "Balaton" (code name for this Beta)How do you register? when I go to my feedback portal, I see nothing about a new beta, however I can still get to the old beta forums and stuff.

hmmm.

-Z

[muttlieb]

How do you register?

On the My Feedback Portal main page, there is a Signup link in the upper left corner of the page under Active Zone Menu. The Signup page is where you enter the Beta code.

[Joef]

How do you register? when I go to my feedback portal, I see nothing about Balaton, howver I can still get to the old Monadnock forums and stuff.

hmmm.

-Z

I'm surprised you aren't Beta testing, Chris. If you aren't, then who the heck is? Curious. BTW I never heard anything either.

Joe

[muttlieb]

Subscription members should get an email about the beta. I received mine on Friday, July 8.

[christopher.zoog51272]

Subscription members should get an email about the beta. I received mine on Friday, July 8.
The emails are hit or miss, we never seem to get them an we have been on revit subscription forever.

-Z

[christopher.zoog51272]

I'm surprised you aren't Beta testing, Chris. If you aren't, then who the heck is? Curious. BTW I never heard anything either.

Joe
Anyone can beta test, the silly part they revit betas used to be called "web releases" ;)

-Z

[beegee]

Guy and Gals,

The existence of a beta is neither confirmed nor denied. 8-) , but if there was one, it would have an NDA that you all would need to agree to. I suspect that such a hypothetical NDA would require that you do not discuss the beta anywhere outside whatever official channels might exist for that purpose. These here AUGI channels are unofficial and would not be the correct place to be talking about such things.

Nuff said ... :wink:

[Jit]

Anyone knows what are the additional features in this release ?

thanks in Advance

[beegee]

NDA would prevent that being discussed here, right ?

[GuyR]

Anyone knows what are the additional features in this release ?

Yep, includes ( the big 3):

1..New drawing sheet function : Just In Time (JIT) drawing sheets.

So you can play around with massing for weeks. Then 5 minutes before the boss asks for the release copy you push the JIT button and wham!! A full set of detailed sheets including sections callouts and elevations. Some familiarity with family editing is required. No architectural experience needed though so that's a bonus.

2.. Full API

Not happy with any Revit function? Write your own. Full access to the API including GPL sourcecode for Revit. The big advantage here is within months Revit will be free and you'll be able to choose from 100's of different versions of Revit all customised and guarantee to improve productivity. Also means ArchiCAD will finally be able to learn how you write an architectural CAD package that's easy to use.

3.. Full VIZ included

This was a mistake. They thought management said full VIZ but what they really said was pull VIZ. Given the enormous cost of producing CD's (according to the RIAA) they've decided to leave it in. By installing V8.1 with full VIZ it'll mean you're agreeing to the purchase of VIZ so you'll get billed next month. And don't think you can get away with it. They'll come and search your PC if you deny you installed Revit.

And finally,


These here AUGI channels are unofficial and would not be the correct place to be talking about such things.


So I can neither confirm or deny the above feature list ;-)

HTH,

Guy

[Mr Spot]

LOL Nice one

[Martin P]

The emails are hit or miss, we never seem to get them an we have been on revit subscription forever.

-Z

Never got one here either? didnt know anything about it till reading it here. We too have been on subscription for ages. Wouldnt mind a look at it though.

What is a feedback portal page?? where would I find that? ie where is the beta test site?

[blads]

Yep, includes ( the big 3):

1..New drawing sheet function : Just In Time (JIT) drawing sheets.

2.. Full API

3.. Full VIZ included

And finally,



So I can neither confirm or deny the above feature list ;-)

HTH,

Guy

Good one!!! Guy
I couldv'e used the JIT sheets today!

[christopher.zoog51272]

Never got one here either? didnt know anything about it till reading it here. We too have been on subscription for ages. Wouldnt mind a look at it though.

What is a feedback portal page?? where would I find that? ie where is the beta test site?I just found out that the email only goes to the software cooridinator, not the subscription administrator, so somone in your office probably got it. If not PM tat, and she'll hook you up.

-Z

[muttlieb]

The email I received describes how to sign up for the the beta if your a first time participant. But if you've already signed up for previous betas, you just need to edit your user info with the correct beta code for the current beta.

[Joef]

I'm a one person operation on subscription and I have not received an email about this.

[iru69]

The existence of a beta is neither confirmed nor denied. 8-) , but if there was one, it would have an NDA that you all would need to agree to...
The existence of an 8.1 beta is confirmed. I received an email from Autodesk telling me so. As far as I know, I have not agreed to an NDA simply by receiving that email. What's this business about a "hypothetical" NDA? There is one or there isn't one. Is there an NDA about the NDA? If there's an NDA to download and install the beta, then I understand if it doesn't allow for discussion of actual features in this forum, and that should be respected (and that's why, unless there isn't an NDA, I won't be downloading the beta). But let's not get weirder about this than it already is - there's nothing top secret that Autodesk makes betas available to some of their customers.

[zanzibarbob7]

I can't locate a Sign-up link in the Active Zone. Got my email, click on the feedback link, it has my name at the top, but the closest I can come to a Sign-up link is "Become a Candidate." What am I missing? I can't access an Enrollment Form either but have information on file from the last Beta, so I have no place to enter the Beta Code. Help! Will also forward this to Beta Programs.

[muttlieb]

I can't locate a Sign-up link in the Active Zone. Got my email, click on the feedback link, it has my name at the top, but the closest I can come to a Sign-up link is "Become a Candidate." What am I missing? I can't access an Enrollment Form either but have information on file from the last Beta, so I have no place to enter the Beta Code. Help! Will also forward this to Beta Programs.

If you've already signed up for previous betas, you just need to edit your user info with the correct beta code for the current beta.

[Beau.Turner]

If you've already signed up for previous betas, you just need to edit your user info with the correct beta code for the current beta.

Neither confirming or denying :) but If you are an existing user simply go to the Main Feedback Portal, then in the top line where it says "Autodesk MyFeedback Portal" choose the user button (this will launch a pop-up) and update your Beta Code (only if you have been provided with one).

[zanzibarbob7]

muttlieb,

Thanks for the quick reply. Got it taken care of just as you said.

[PeterJ]

The existence of an 8.1 beta is confirmed. I received an email from Autodesk telling me so. As far as I know, I have not agreed to an NDA simply by receiving that email. What's this business about a "hypothetical" NDA? There is one or there isn't one. Is there an NDA about the NDA? If there's an NDA to download and install the beta, then I understand if it doesn't allow for discussion of actual features in this forum, and that should be respected (and that's why, unless there isn't an NDA, I won't be downloading the beta). But let's not get weirder about this than it already is - there's nothing top secret that Autodesk makes betas available to some of their customers.There is a beta programme. Autodesk aim to keep the contents of the beta private and so place an NDA on participants in that programme. No doubt there is value for them in not making perceived weaknesses in the release common knowledge when they have the chance to iron them out prior to a full release.

They provide a dedicated news-server for those that enter the beta programme and want to enter into discussion with their peers. The most likely weaknesses for a mature package like Revit are in install blips and documentation so this priavte fora gives 'em a chance to monitor this kind of discussion and review the helps files tutorials etc.

There is no hypothetical NDA, its an either/or as you have to acknowledge it to proceed to download of the beta (from memory). However, and I think it strange, the general reading of the NDA is that by agreeing to it you also agree not to discuss the NDA itself as well as the software. At this point I'm no doubt in breach but only to clarify..

From a moderator's perspective we would prefer no further discussion of the NDA or the contents of the software, though Guy's excellent summary was welcome, just so we don't upset those at Autodesk who have concerns about these things.

Thanks

[dnilsson]

That is not the way this program is presented in the e-mail I received.

"Autodesk is pleased to announce that a Preview Beta of Autodesk® Revit® Building 8.1, English only, is now available for download as an added benefit for Autodesk Subscription customers."

There is no mention of any legal restrictions on it's use or discussion of the product anywhere in the message. If this is not the case, Autodesk has done terrible job of explaining this in the e-mail.

Not that it really matters, but I don't see any reason to get nervous for discussing an e-mail that was broadcast to all their subscription holders.

[tarch]

That is not the way this program is presented in the e-mail I received.

"Autodesk is pleased to announce that a Preview Beta of Autodesk® Revit® Building 8.1, English only, is now available for download as an added benefit for Autodesk Subscription customers."

There is no mention of any legal restrictions on it's use or discussion of the product anywhere in the message. If this is not the case, Autodesk has done terrible job of explaining this in the e-mail.

Not that it really matters, but I don't see any reason to get nervous for discussing an e-mail that was broadcast to all their subscription holders.
It isn't in the e-mail but it is a part of My Feedback site.

[rod.74246]

Hmm i haven't seen an E-mails :(

However for those that do i don't think there is a single software Beta around that doesn't have an NDA. It is standard practice. The point of it is two-fold.

1. I guess is to keep competitors unaware of what is being released until it hits the market.

2. (Which is honestly the major reason) is that often Beta is an evolving process and features that begin in Beta never quite work out and don't ever hit the retail version while other features evolve or get added whilst the beta is ongoing. If all the original Beta information hits the public realm then when the release goes live, all of a sudden the software company is flooded with complaints about inaccurate information ( which has been broadcast over the net unofficialy) not actually matching what is in the release version.

Beta is really an open discussion. All the NDA is for is to try to ensure the testers keep all their information and comments for the benefit of the other testers and the developers to make a bug free (thats the idea anyway) working release. Once they have that nailed down, the content of 8.1 will get to the rest of us so we will know what we can "actually" expect when we get the upgrade.

[Batman]

From a moderator's perspective we would prefer no further discussion of the NDA or the contents of the software, though Guy's excellent summary was welcome, just so we don't upset those at Autodesk who have concerns about these things.
I understand your position. I also understand why an NDA may exist.

It gives some demonstration of the level of control which Autodesk is imposing through this forum.

Sometimes whats best for the corporation isn't what is best for us.....the legitimate users who pay hefty prices for using and devote serious time to providing feedback for their products.

I am a subscribing Autodesk customer (over ten years) yet no e-mail, no such link as mentioned above in my subscription window, nothing. If I can't benefit directly from Autodesk (who ignore our inclusion in this beta test) then why can't we at least benefit from information on this forum.

I feel your comment has stifled some free, open and what is usually very constructive discussion. If the NDA is agreed to by whoever then its up to them as to what they say, whether its on this forum or any other. After all a forum means a place for OPEN discussion.

[Joef]

If you are a Revit Series subscriber Autodesk does not consider you a Revit Building customer and therefore Revit Series subscribers did not receive an e-mail.

Joe

[Danny Polkinhorn]

Vince,

I'm all for free speech, as long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of others. Autodesk has the right to protect proprietary information, just as they have the right to ask me to do the same with their information. If I were involved in a beta project covered by an NDA, I wouldn't want to discuss anything learned under that NDA for fear of losing my right to participate in the future and also (worse case here) being sued by Autodesk for releasing that information.

There are many important legal reasons why Autodesk doesn't want beta information leaked, most importantly because the SEC requires it. What if Autodesk told you they were including some killer app with the next release of Revit that will bring vast productivity improvements to architects around the world. You told about it in an open forum, and Autodesk's stock rises 32% in one day on the news. When released, the software doesn't include the new app, and Autodesk's stock drops 58% after employees sell a bunch of their options. I could go on, but you get the idea...

So really, this has absolutely nothing to do with Autodesk's control over this forum (which they don't have anyway).

If you want to participate in the Beta program, even if you haven't received an email, there have been many posts here describing how to begin participating. Realize, however, that if you do participate you will also have to comply with the terms of the NDA as a condition of participation. That means you probably shouldn't discuss anything about it here.

Have we beat this to death yet? :-)

My 2¢,

[Steve_Stafford]

If you want to participate in the Beta program, even if you haven't received an email, there have been many posts here describing how to begin participating. Realize, however, that if you do participate you will also have to comply with the terms of the NDA as a condition of participation. That means you probably shouldn't discuss anything about it here.
Well said Danny! The Revit Community Moderators are sensitive to the legal aspect of the NDA our members agree to when they participate in a beta program, even if they aren't. The language of a past beta I was part of specifically included not mentioning the existence of the beta, let alone what was in it or how to get it.

So please, if you are agreeing to an NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement) as a condition of getting to use a beta release of Revit...please honor it. Technically speaking there are several posts we should have removed and may still choose to do so.

The following is my personal opinion, nothing official.

As for the past...Revit used to be released to the web as soon as it was finished cooking so to speak. This was fine for the early adopters who actually enjoy debugging software and are comfortable with the risk that carries with it. Today Revit is being seriously looked at by users who have little or no desire to debug software, that want to use it right away, worry free.

Autodesk has used a beta process for years with the other products they make but Revit was never part of that program until recently. The beta process provides that level of insulation from users who don't have the patience or inclination to work with the first release of a new version software.

[iru69]

However for those that do i don't think there is a single software Beta around that doesn't have an NDA. It is standard practice. The point of it is two-fold.

1. I guess is to keep competitors unaware of what is being released until it hits the market.

2. (Which is honestly the major reason) is that often Beta is an evolving process and features that begin in Beta never quite work out and don't ever hit the retail version while other features evolve or get added whilst the beta is ongoing. If all the original Beta information hits the public realm then when the release goes live, all of a sudden the software company is flooded with complaints about inaccurate information ( which has been broadcast over the net unofficialy) not actually matching what is in the release version.

Beta is really an open discussion. All the NDA is for is to try to ensure the testers keep all their information and comments for the benefit of the other testers and the developers to make a bug free (thats the idea anyway) working release. Once they have that nailed down, the content of 8.1 will get to the rest of us so we will know what we can "actually" expect when we get the upgrade.
I must become one with the Borg...


I'm all for free speech, as long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of others.
I'm not sure how you can be for free speech without the freedom to say what people don't want you to say. Freedom of information and opinion is one of the things most true democracies are founded on.



If I were involved in a beta project covered by an NDA, I wouldn't want to discuss anything learned under that NDA for fear of losing my right to participate in the future and also (worse case here) being sued by Autodesk for releasing that information.
That's a really healthy relationship you've got going there.

There are many important legal reasons why Autodesk doesn't want beta information leaked, most importantly because the SEC requires it. What if Autodesk told you they were including some killer app with the next release of Revit that will bring vast productivity improvements to architects around the world. You told about it in an open forum, and Autodesk's stock rises 32% in one day on the news. When released, the software doesn't include the new app, and Autodesk's stock drops 58% after employees sell a bunch of their options. I could go on, but you get the idea...
This is one of those "reasons" that just gets passed around ad nauseum and is simply not true. I don't know if you read it somewhere else or was told by Autodesk or some other corporation, but corporations will tell you anything when it strikes them as convenient. I guess anything that gets repeated enough on the internet simply becomes a fact.


So really, this has absolutely nothing to do with Autodesk's control over this forum (which they don't have anyway).
No, that's is exactly what it is about - "control". Corporations want control - over marketplaces, politicians, the public. They want to control what you buy and how you use it; what you're allowed to see and what you're allowed to talk about. The more control they have, the more money they make - which is always the bottom line. Corporations only care about you as a "consumer" - the more control they have, the more likely you'll stay in that position.


Realize, however, that if you do participate you will also have to comply with the terms of the NDA as a condition of participation. That means you probably shouldn't discuss anything about it here.
Fair enough. I don't think I've seen anyone here arguing whether an NDA should be respected - actually I don't think I've seen too much argument against the NDA at all - I think most people here are all too glad to agree to whatever Autodesk wants if they can try out the latest Revit candy (and I admit, I'm anticipating new features (almost) as much as the next guy).

The point here isn't that Autodesk is good or evil - they just follow the same road that most corporations are going to take - keep as much control over you as they can possibly get away with. What you need to ask yourself is where you're going to draw the line? Most of us didn't even know what NDAs were fifteen years ago. They slowly trickled down from the corporate boardrooms doing takeovers of billion dollar companies - to trying out "beta" software. Tomorrow, maybe you'll need to sign an NDA to buy a new car, or a movie ticket... we don't want any bad word of mouth on the latest summer blockbuster... do we now?

[Batman]

Technically speaking there are several posts we should have removed and may still choose to do so.
You have only confirmed the very point I was making....That this forum is not a forum.
Say something they do not like and they have the power to suppress your voice.

I only stated facts. I am not advocating that anyone do anything wrong, re-read my thread.

I don't believe that anyone should have the right to stop anyone from saying whatever they want especially by employing fear tactics.

BTW - I am a Revit Building 8.0 customer (not Series) yet there is nothing as far as I have investigated that will allow me to join the beta. To what extent would I have to go to in order to gain this equal advantage.

[LRaiz]

There are many important legal reasons why Autodesk doesn't want beta information leaked, most importantly because the SEC requires it. What if Autodesk told you they were including some killer app with the next release of Revit that will bring vast productivity improvements to architects around the world. You told about it in an open forum, and Autodesk's stock rises 32% in one day on the news. When released, the software doesn't include the new app, and Autodesk's stock drops 58% after employees sell a bunch of their options. I could go on, but you get the idea...

I don't believe there are SEC requirements regarding NDA. I have been involved with a number of companies setting up a number of beta programs. Sometimes NDA is required sometimes it is not. Different companies make different decisions based on their own business considerations. For example right now Microsoft is running a beta program for future releases of Windows Graphical Subsystem (codename Avalon). This beta is open to general public and the software comes with an End User License Agreement (EULA). However I don't think Avalon beta testers are under an NDA.

[iru69]

You have only confirmed the very point I was making....That this forum is not a forum.
Say something they do not like and they have the power to suppress your voice.
To be fair, I think Steve was referring to the posts discussing actual features of 8.1 Beta. By agreeing to the NDA, features of 8.1 Beta should not be discussed on this forum. By leaving those posts on this forum, AUGI is complicit in violating the NDA. That's a little different than censorship.

To this point, I have not seen opinions (many of which are unfavorable) about Autodesk, Revit (obviously aside from Beta versions covered by an NDA), or the many political and religious "Off the Wall" topics being censored. It's a fine line, but one that I think AUGI and its moderators have walked well.

[Steve_Stafford]

To be fair, I think Steve was referring to the posts discussing actual features of 8.1 Beta. By agreeing to the NDA, features of 8.1 Beta should not be discussed on this forum. By leaving those posts on this forum, AUGI is complicit in violating the NDA. That's a little different than censorship.Yes! No one is going to remove or edit a post for no reason, or just because they don't like it. A post has only to abide by the guidelines AUGI has.

If a member doesn't have a problem violating the NDA they agreed to by discussing here, that which they agreed not to...AUGI has a responsiblity to honor it, the NDA (since we know about it and if we didn't Autodesk might choose to let us know about it).

There IS a symbiotic relationship with Autodesk remember, it is the first word in the name eh? ;-)

[Danny Polkinhorn]

I'm not sure how you can be for free speech without the freedom to say what people don't want you to say. Freedom of information and opinion is one of the things most true democracies are founded on. As I said, I'm all for free speech and will speak as freely as I like, as long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of others, like you speaking freely, or Autodesk not wanting me to divulge proprietary information. I have all the freedom I want not to sign an NDA (and thus not participate). I'm all for you having the same freedom.

This is one of those "reasons" that just gets passed around ad nauseum and is simply not true. I don't know if you read it somewhere else or was told by Autodesk or some other corporation, but corporations will tell you anything when it strikes them as convenient. I guess anything that gets repeated enough on the internet simply becomes a fact. I'm not a lawyer, but I don't really see the difference between sharing proprietary information I obtained under NDA and the recent case of Apple suing the blogger who released information about an upcoming Apple product.

I don't believe there are SEC requirements regarding NDA. I have been involved with a number of companies setting up a number of beta programs.I'm certainly not going to dispute your experience with this. Are there not requirements for Autodesk to not release information about an upcoming product that they may not release? Aren't these classified as "forward-thinking statements which may or may not reflect future product direction"? And doesn't an NDA protect them from these statements reaching the public domain (in theory of course) and making them liable for their stock price because of it? In that sense, while not specifically SEC regulations, they are related are they not? Again, not a lawyer here.

No, that's is exactly what it is about - "control". Corporations want control - over marketplaces, politicians, the public. They want to control what you buy and how you use it; what you're allowed to see and what you're allowed to talk about. The more control they have, the more money they make - which is always the bottom line. Corporations only care about you as a "consumer" - the more control they have, the more likely you'll stay in that position.So you're against companies making money and protecting their product? I certainly want my company protecting it's proprietary information with whatever means necessary. Is Autodesk really out of line asking us to protect theirs?

[cosmickingpin]

Vince,
I am a little confused by what you refer to as "open discussion." if you have a paticular complaint against autodesk then mention it directly. I openly mock and attack autodesk and I have never been pressured by forum moderators to 'cool it,' not for that anyway. In any civilized society there will be necessary "controls." the legal concept of 'prior restraint" is well documented under US law. The government may restrict free speech under special circumstance (threats to public safety- shouting "fire!" in a crowded theater is NOT PROTECTED SPEECH, never has been!- not to mention that victims of slander and libel can recover money in court) , and it is all very legal and moral. recent cases of prior restraint inculde the "make your own Atom Bomb" books and webpages, and have been protected as being simply complilations of already known and publicly accessed information. AUGI may be held liable in court for not "censoring" itself and be held financially liable for those who may violate their NDA's. Feel free to setup your own forum, and make your own rules, and let us know how your "Open forum" is doing from time to time will you?

ps: Originally Posted by vince.79565
". . . .I don't believe that anyone should have the right to stop anyone from saying whatever they want especially by employing fear tactics. ."- that's hardly a rational point of view there. In various cases, people do have the moral and legal right to stop someone from saying whatever they want. (and that is from a proud card carrying member of the ACLU) Fear tactics? Don't tell me I missed the anual Autodesk "crystal night" again this year...



I understand your position. I also understand why an NDA may exist.

It gives some demonstration of the level of control which Autodesk is imposing through this forum.

Sometimes whats best for the corporation isn't what is best for us.....the legitimate users who pay hefty prices for using and devote serious time to providing feedback for their products.

I am a subscribing Autodesk customer (over ten years) yet no e-mail, no such link as mentioned above in my subscription window, nothing. If I can't benefit directly from Autodesk (who ignore our inclusion in this beta test) then why can't we at least benefit from information on this forum.

I feel your comment has stifled some free, open and what is usually very constructive discussion. If the NDA is agreed to by whoever then its up to them as to what they say, whether its on this forum or any other. After all a forum means a place for OPEN discussion.

[Lashers]

. . . .I don't believe that anyone should have the right to stop anyone from saying whatever they want especially by employing fear tactics. . .

Vince it all comes down to what is considered "reasonable" - if i walked around behind you muttering abuse for a while, I might end up getting punched! THAT would be stopping me from saying whatever I want!

If you want to drive my car (which would be a surprise, even I don't want to be doing that!) you have to drive it how I want, or you don't get to drive at all. Same thing with NDA, you want to play with Revit 8.1 before the rest? . .here are the rules . . .

FWIW

[crarchitect]

Hello All,

ALL I want to know (caps intended) is will 8.1 create MasterFormat keynotes?

If not, I have to start my own Type Catalog which makes me unhappy, really unhappy.

Can anyone say?

[sbrown]

I wouldn't hold your breath.

[Batman]

Sorry, I can't respond to all the examples presented here. Most seem irrelevant to me.

Simple point - this forum is controlled to the point that a thread can be pulled if they so choose to do so.

Would such an action limit the flow of information........Yes it would.

Would the open constructive discussion regarding the new relaease harm or benefit the clients.....Benefit.

Who is testing the product......the clients.

Are all clients able to test and thus view....no.

I see a problem...

[Steve_Stafford]

Simple point - this forum is controlled to the point that a thread can be pulled if they so choose to do so.
True of all forums isn't it? All forums are controlled by someone aren't they? When this community was part of Zoogdesign, Chris held the "cards" so to speak and it would be no different then as now. We would honor the letter of an NDA then as we do now, I know I was part of Chris's team then too.

I'm sorry you aren't pleased about the beta process as it is working right now. For what it's worth...I didn't get an email either. AUGI doesn't control Autodesk or the Revit team, if you aren't happy you ought to speak to them directly too.

Whether or not discussion here about the beta benefits us or not is irrelevant, Autodesk requires those who agree to participate in the beta to agree and abide by an NDA. Discussing it here is a direct violation of it.

As a community I think our members can confirm that, our moderators exercise restraint and are much more interested in "letting it ride" than ever deleting or editing a post. Maybe I'm too sensitive? I'm trying hard not to be offended by your comments.

[mmodernc]

So what's fixed in 8.1?

[Danny Polkinhorn]

So what's fixed in 8.1?I didn't see any smilies, but really, you are kidding right? :-o

[iru69]

So what's fixed in 8.1?
That is laugh out loud brilliant comic timing...

[Steve_Stafford]

So what's fixed in 8.1?Why the NDA of course... :lol:

[sbrown]

The clients are the testers and we are able to provide feedback within the proper forum, this is not that forum.

[christie.landry]

I just got an e-mail to download 8.1. Does anyone know what improved?

Hey Everyone,

As with any beta programs this is strictly confidential. Nothing should be discussed on any forums except the beta forums?

Thanks!

[zanzibarbob7]

This is a question about being able to post or reply in the forums. I had this same trouble on the last Beta too. I logged in, have the proper code for the current Beta in my profile. What i get when I attempt is a brief (1-2 Seconds) display of the post I want to reply t o then the screen goes blank. Not blank like it's turned of but the body of the window is empty.

I f orwarded this to Tanja and they speculated firewall or personal setting but i have been unable correct this problem. Help please.

[GuyR]

Was this Beta invitation only? Is there anyway of getting onto the program?

Guy

[Scott D Davis]

There is the ability to view the "non-existent" :-) Beta forums through a newsreader, rather than a web-based forum. This may work for you. Contact TeeDee and she can point you in the right direction to make this work.