Shear Wall Schedule

[ford347]

I have a shear wall symbol I'm using, just a generic symbol. I can enter in the length and mark of the shear or braced wall. I would like to have a table or shedule now for edge nailing, sole plate attachment etc. I tried creating a multi-category schedule and was able to select a perameter that I recognized from my symbol, which was braced wall mark. I just don't konw how to get all the other information in there now. Could somebody explain how to get more perameters in this kind of schedule, or if it's even possible? thanks

[beegee]

Shared parameters are the answer.

There should be explanations in these forums or in the Revit Help files to get you started.

Post back if you have any problems.

[iru69]

I've been playing with that shearwall family (posted in another thread), and I can't figure out how to add shared parameters to it. If I create a new multi-category tag, I can add shared parameters. Are there certain tag families that don't allow shared parameters?

Edit: well, I'm getting the impression that you can't add shared parameters to a generic annotation...

[beegee]

Multi cat is the correct tag to use for shared parameters.

[ford347]

I am in the process of creating a new shear symbol from a multi cat tag. I have made a small list of shared parameters and am trying to duplicate the family type parapeters now. When I enter in the formula for shear lenth, I get this error message: Can't find solution for formulas for Type ' '. I don't know what that means. Anybody have any ideas?

Thanks!!

[iru69]

I have made a small list of shared parameters and am trying to duplicate the family type parapeters now. When I enter in the formula for shear lenth, I get this error message: Can't find solution for formulas for Type ' '. I don't know what that means. Anybody have any ideas?
I've tried that as well. I think the problem is that while you can create shared parameters in a Multi Cat Tag, you can only use them in Labels - you can't use them in Family Types (i.e. in formulas). You'll notice that when you go to add a parameter in a Family Type, only the Family Parameters are available (well, it's all grayed out, but the Family Parameter are checked by default) - Shared Parameters are not available. I'm not sure if it's possible to use Shared Parameters in the Family Types of Annotation Tags. Maybe someone else can confirm this or explain where we're going wrong...

[ford347]

Here is my revised shear tag. It is a multi cat tag and I got the formula to work. I cannot figure out how to get the length to show. I create a family type for it with a formula referenceing the shear user length, but i can't reference that from a label. I'm green with this stuff!! Also, I gave it a filter of shear/braced wall mark or something close to that, and when I go to load this tag in my project, this error comes up: The filter specified by Multi-Category Tag can't be used with the tagged object. I tagged a wall. I'm lost.

[iru69]

I'm interested to see it - but you forgot to attach the family...

So, you say you got the formula to work - but let me guess... you did that by creating a Family Parameter in the Family Types that has the same name as one of your Shared Parameters?

[ford347]

Hey,

Yeah yeah....I tired matching up the names which doesnt' get you anywhere....like I said, I'm a green **** at this!! Sorry, I forgot to post it!! thanks...Here it is

[iru69]

Part I:

Here’s a project file with a shear wall schedule set up. It does not use shared parameters.

There are two schedules – one’s the schedule key and the other is the main schedule (building components) itself.

The first thing you do is fill in the schedule key with all the shear wall types you use. You can add the schedules to your template, and add shear wall types to your schedule key as you go along - so that you’ll only have to enter in new shear wall types when you come across a new one. Each shear wall type is labeled A, B, C, etc. It doesn’t matter the order because you’ll set that in the main schedule.

Once you have your shear wall schedule key filled out with all your shear wall types, you can assign walls a shear wall label (e.g. 1, 2, 3 etc.) by clicking on the wall’s properties and looking for the “Shear Wall Label” parameter. Enter the appropriate label. You can “label” all the walls this way, but you really only need to label one of each shear wall type in order to get an entry in the main schedule. The schedule will sort by the Label number, so choose a wall that you want to be listed as the first shear wall type. After you assign a label to a wall, go to the main schedule. There will now be an entry line for that label. All the shear wall types you entered in the schedule key are now available under the SW Style list. Select the shear wall type you want associated with that label. The rest of the row is automatically filled in. If you now go and click on the wall properties of the respective wall, you’ll see all the shear wall information is listed. The neat thing about this is that once you’ve entered all the shear wall types, all future shear wall schedules will be a breeze to create.

When your shear wall schedule is all filled out the way you want it, you should “hide” the SW Style column in the Main schedule (in the schedule’s properties > Formatting – select the “SW Style” field and check the “hidden field” box).

What about the shear wall symbol (e.g. Mis_Shear Symbol)? Well, place those as you normally would and enter in the respective labels. Unfortunately, that’s the rub – no association.

Setting the schedules up might be a little tricky the first time you do it, but with a little practice, it will start to make sense. I first created a new schedule *key* based on the wall category. I created all the parameters I wanted for the schedule. I then created a new schedule *building components* based on the wall category. I created a shear wall label parameter and “added” all the other parameters from when I created the key.

[iru69]

Part II:

Now, you can use shared parameters, but there’s some caveats. First, I needed to revise your shear wall symbol using a generic tag as a template (and changing the category to “wall”)... since generic annotation doesn’t appear to support shared parameters. I created shared parameters for the symbol’s labels. I also added those shared parameter to the project file. After loading the revised symbol, it will automatically use the label from the wall properties. You can also assign shear wall labels to the walls using the symbol – though you’ll have to reselect the wall type in the main schedule.

Here’s the main problem: you lose the ability to change the size of the shear symbol line (that dashed line under the label) – the dimension parameter just refuses to carry over when you insert it into your project file.

The difference between the two setups is fairly minor. What I did was delete the SW Label parameter from the project file and added the shared parameters from the shared parameter file (there are a number of threads in the forums that discuss shared parameters). You gain the association between the shear symbol and the wall – but you lose the flexibility of the symbol itself.