Greater Interoperability

[robmorfin]

Revit is great with what it has, but is missing alot of very cool stuff and it's isolating itself (same thing ADT did) from the outer world, theres hundreds of very cool software that can do things Revit cannot, I know Revit cannot have everything, but open yourself to let us bring or send stuff from Revit to all the programs and from all the other programs to Revit, I was really dissapointed with release 6.0, there was not any new type of share with other programs, and be careful because alot of companies have team just testing your product with few projects and you may lose them if you keep answering in the forums "you cannot do that, but try this", we cannot say to our architectural project "I cannot design this cool building because I don't have the tools", we end up doing it with another program, if you couldn't do it with ADT you used AutoCAD, but here you are screwed.

Please read carefully the wishlists and add it to Revit.

By the way there's plugins from Piranesi to most of your competition but not for Revit, please add it so we can get the cool Piranesi (I know, you can save it as DXF and then open it in Vedute, but I don't want to do that), see the list at this link http://www.informatix.co.uk/piranesi/product_information_supp.shtml#plugin

[gregcashen]

I totally agree! 150%. Revit Team, are you listening??? Please take heed and add EVERYTHING in the wishlist to Revit 7.0 straight away!

On a side note, I am starting the betting on when we expect to see Revit 7.0.

My Guess:

1 week after AU 2016.

[PeterJ]

I think you will find Beegee has the concession on running book around here, MeshMasterBoy

[gregcashen]

...and be careful because alot of companies have team just testing your product with few projects and you may lose them if you keep answering in the forums "you cannot do that, but try this", we cannot say to our architectural project "I cannot design this cool building because I don't have the tools...

Hmmm...isn't this what you just did?

[gregcashen]

Point taken, Pete. Beegee, record my vote. December 16, 2016. Thanks.

[Steve_Stafford]

Sorry guys, Evil Steve comes out of the closet...this is Lame...

Revit is missing cool stuff? What kind of wish is this?...kinda like your client asking for a house with everything only you have no idea what his/her everything means. Sorry but this kind of wishlist item will get IGNORED because it doesn't have any meaning.

Say what you mean...like

I want piranesi in Revit or able to use with...
I want sketch UP's plug in
I want etc....

I want everything...have a nice day....

Please post a single wish that way when Mr. Conant goes through our wishes and HE DOES...it won't get lost in a rant/collection.

<Evil Steve mode off>

[gregcashen]

So, Steve, I take it the sarcasm in my post was not obnoxious enough to be obvious? I thought the 2016 would have given it away.

Alright...here are some plagiarisms (of myself, of course!) to explain in detail how I (and some others here as well, I think) feel about posts like Rob's:



I have been to a lot of newsgroups and the thing that separates the Revit
groups is the quality of community. We are quick to share suggestions, tips
and tricks with one another. I have seen this with Sketchup as well, but
there are a lot of online communities that do not have this quality. I
believe it was alt.building.construction that got so out of hand for me that
I stopped watching it. In fact, I have found there is more good advice and
less bitching here and on ZDBB than any other BB/NG I have lurked at.

That said, I think it is important to make sure that we are offering
constructive criticism and advice to each other, potential new users and to
the hard-working developers in Waltham. Otherwise, we risk alienating these
people and giving the impression that this software is "not ready for
primetime." Also, we may give the developers the wrong impression about what
we feel is important in Revit...what we really need to be able to do with
it.

The easiest way to do this is to post a suggestion, wishlist item or
tip/trick on the forums at http:/www.zoogdesign.com/forums

ZDBB is, by far, the best online BB for any software program I have ever
seen. It offers:

1. Coherent advice on almost any issue that has been identified in Revit.
2. Quality discussions on the state of the CAD/BIM industry, architecture,
construction...
3. Amusing divergences into Football
4. One-on-one interaction with the men (and women, I suppose) that toil
daily to provide us with the best BIM package I have yet seen or heard of.
5. Instant answers from leading experts without any ulterior motives of
trying to sell training, upgrade software or steal customers from other
resellers.

To me, the best thing about ZDBB is the Tips and Tricks and the Wishlist.
These two forums allow us to 1) post our suggestions for future versions so
that Revit will work the way that we want it to and 2) suggest alternative
methods until those wishlit items are incorporated. With these two forums,
we have our own sort of development going on...the development of new ideas
and alternative methods to succeed with our projects.

Please don't underestimate the importance of these forums, and post there
frequently so that Revit grows in the direction that the users want.

Additionally, if you are a vocal member of the ng and ZDBB, it is possible
that Waltham will contact you directly to respond to surveys or to suggest
enhancements that you think would benefit all of us users. We must be
careful to not give them the impression that EVERY wishlist item is the most
important item. Their time is very valuable to us...the more time they spend
on features that will benefit one or two users or that are enhancements to
infrequently used tools versus focusing on the tools we really need is time
lost...and will possibly lead to bad releases of Revit.

It is important to remember that there are a lot of users here,
representing a lot of disciplines, opinions and ideas, and that we can best
help each other by listening to the needs of others and having open
discussions and making constructive criticisms (when necessary) to let the
Waltham team know when they are off...and occasionally to thank them for
their hard work and dedication to the work we do.

End of rant.

Greg




I was just curious when the last time you made a constructive statement
regarding Revit was?

...you have made a lot of comments in other threads along the lines of...

"Revit sucks at this, can't do this, should be better at this...give me an
open API and I'll teach those developers a thing or two..."

If you really think you have the answers to Revit's problems, why don't you
help the community and the developers that hang out here and Zoog and
actively post your suggestions on Zoog rather than just complain that Revit
is (insert derogatory term here)?

Not trying to attack, just making a constructive criticism...

Greg

P.S. I think a combo of Revit, Autocad LT, Inventor, Buzzsaw, Civil Series,
VIZ, Saylor/Means Estimating, Woodworks, STAAD Pro, Tekla X-Steel, Enercalc,
Microsoft Office, and Photoshop (with no additional cost, of course) would
be the most ideal BIM for the future! In fact, I think it is slated for
Revit 23, in 2016. Can't wait!

[Steve_Stafford]

My reaction is just about really broad based generic wishes that don't point the Revit team in a clear direction. They have a finite amount of time and resources...what do we want them to do NEXT? Pretend it's your money and staff, what should they do for the next 8 hours, 24...4 months? Not harping on the replies and I'm not opposed to anything Rob asks for just in HOW it is asked...keep them coming!

[gregcashen]

...I'm not opposed to anything Rob asks for just in HOW it is asked...keep them coming!

Agreed! But let;s also keep in mind that if one person requests EVERYTHING and another requests the next release TOMORROW, someone is definitely going to be diappointed.

[Dimitri Harvalias]

Greg,
Do you know something you're not telling us about the development cycle slowing down?
Is it Revit 23 in 2016 or is it Revit 7 in 2016? :wink:

I agree that any requestes must be specific and reasonable. "I want more stuff" is not a request. Say what you want, say why you want it or how it might benefit others and then.... ask real nice. These folks do listen and are making great efforts to improve a very good product.

[gregcashen]

Greg,
Do you know something you're not telling us about the development cycle slowing down?
Is it Revit 23 in 2016 or is it Revit 7 in 2016? :wink:

Yes, per my request above, the Revit Development Team has decided to include everything in the next release...due out in 2016. I hear they have licensed a toaster oven engine from Brawn that is awesome...no more runs to the kitchen while you wait for a rendering...just pop the bread in the CD tray and Revit 7 toasts it in a jiffy.

[Archman]

Please read carefully the wishlists and add it to Revit.

Did you forget to post a list of your proposed wishlist items?

[gregcashen]

I think he is referring to the Zoog wishlist, i.e. everyones' wishes. Thus the rampant flaming that has ensued. Apparently some people think that is unrealistic. :roll:

[Martin P]

So the topic to this thread shouls actually read "everything else Revit is missing"

[gregcashen]

Or rather, "Revit is missing everything I want."

[irwin]

I interpret robmorfin's request not as a request for everything, but rather as a requeste for greater openness, so that Revit functionality can be extended by others:


...but open yourself to let us bring or send stuff from Revit to all the programs and from all the other programs to Revit, I was really dissapointed with release 6.0, there was not any new type of share with other programs...

If I understand you correctly, take a look at http://www.zoogdesign.com/forums/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1097&highlight=api for a discussion of issues around an API.

[Steve_Stafford]

Irwin,

I'm glad that Rob's message got through to you.

[rhys]

Yes - give those soon to be redundant lisp tweakers somthing new to play with! an API :twisted: