Stretch is move

[amy.stuart]

Okay i have an AutoCAD user that is trying to stretch and if he selects from the right to left it stretches. But if he selects left to right it actually moves the objects instead of stretches. I do this on my machine same result. I do not have any version previous to 2006 that i can use and for the life of me I can not remember how this works before now. He swears that it actually would stretch in 2002 and in 2005 release. So can anyone help me? did this really work before or is it something that i have set wrong in 2006 that my computer is doing the same as his... HELP! Please.

[BrenBren]

Okay i have an AutoCAD user that is trying to stretch and if he selects from the right to left it stretches. But if he selects left to right it actually moves the objects instead of stretches. I do this on my machine same result. I do not have any version previous to 2006 that i can use and for the life of me I can not remember how this works before now. He swears that it actually would stretch in 2002 and in 2005 release. So can anyone help me? did this really work before or is it something that i have set wrong in 2006 that my computer is doing the same as his... HELP! Please.
Vanilla or a vertical product? I have this problem in mechanical with dimensions moving and not stretching.

Is he selecting the whole object, or just a part of it. Also, just selecting a object by clicking on it will cause it to move, not stretch...

[amy.stuart]

okay completely Vanilla AutoCAD LT. And he is doing a selection window. Left to right.

But I have it in vanilla full AutoCAD

[BrenBren]

okay completely Vanilla AutoCAD LT. And he is doing a selection window. Left to right.

But I have it in vanilla full AutoCAD.

AutoCAD 2006 introduced a new "feature" whereby selecting an item in the stretch command would cause it to move. If he is using a selection window, left to right, he is actually selecting items. Have him try a crossing window, right to left, and see if that works...

[rkmcswain]

Okay i have an AutoCAD user that is trying to stretch and if he selects from the right to left it stretches. But if he selects left to right it actually moves the objects instead of stretches. I do this on my machine same result. I do not have any version previous to 2006 that i can use and for the life of me I can not remember how this works before now. He swears that it actually would stretch in 2002 and in 2005 release. So can anyone help me? did this really work before or is it something that i have set wrong in 2006 that my computer is doing the same as his... HELP! Please.

I am familier with the behavior to which you are referring.
( See http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?messageID=4926857 )
But the whole issue vanishes if your user will read the prompt and follow it

Select objects to stretch by crossing-window or crossing-polygon...

You cannot select it with a WINDOW, but only with a CROSSING WINDOW or CROSSING POLYGON. "Right to left" is crossing - and it works as it should. "Left to right" is window and it shouldn't work. Yes, I'm aware that it did work in earlier versions (See above URL), but IMHO, it was never intended to work that way

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[jaberwok]

Picking a window right-to-left is always an implied crossing window and has been for many releases. To stretch objects REQUIRES a crossing selection, it has to be that way because you are both picking objects and differentiating between the selected and not-selected control points of the objects.
If you must pick left-to-right (because of existing geometry) type "C" (without quotes) between starting the command and picking the window. That's the way it was done before auto-windowing was introduced.

[stelthorst]

Here's my 2 cents

I read the other thread and I think that people who didn't use stretch the old way can't understand why this change is a problem. Hopefully I can explain why I liked stretch the old way.

Draw multiple lines next to each other. Your task is to stretch only one of these lines.

Previous to 2006: Window an area including the end point of the line you want to stretch. If none of the lines are within the window you selected nothing will be selected. Now pick the line you want to stretch hit enter and stretch.

Version 2006: Use a crossing window to select the endpoint of your line. The line you want to stretch plus all other lines in the area are selected. You now have to remove all these other lines from your selection set before you can stretch the one line you want to stretch.

I tend to have more situations where I want to stretch only a few entities but not effect others therefore I liked the old way of stretching.

[jaberwok]

I'm not seeing any difference between A2006 and earlier releases except the new pick-to-move feature that Brenda described.

[todd.hardacre]

I'm venting .......

I dont understand this change in moving something while in a stretch command and 'windowing' an object. If I want to move it.......I will initiate the move command.

Moving and stretching are two different commands at least the last time used anything previous to 2006Lt.

If you want to leave it the way it is, could someone give me a fix to make the "stretch" command, using a window and picking items, go directly into extend after you have "stretched" an entity? This will keep me from doing it manually every time....which by the way Autodesk is a step backwards. But hey then the next release you can have the NEW AND IMPROVED stretch command that does what it did the years before last and boast a improvement was added, thus justifying your existence.

Hey while we are at it, lets ask GM to make the 'D' for reverse and 'R' for drive.

Thank you for reading and please keep this between you and me, I would hate for Autodesk big brother come down on me.

[scott.wilcox]

I'm venting .......

I dont understand this change in moving something while in a stretch command and 'windowing' an object. If I want to move it.......I will initiate the move command.

Moving and stretching are two different commands at least the last time used anything previous to 2006Lt.

If you want to leave it the way it is, could someone give me a fix to make the "stretch" command, using a window and picking items, go directly into extend after you have "stretched" an entity? This will keep me from doing it manually every time....which by the way Autodesk is a step backwards. But hey then the next release you can have the NEW AND IMPROVED stretch command that does what it did the years before last and boast a improvement was added, thus justifying your existence.

Hey while we are at it, lets ask GM to make the 'D' for reverse and 'R' for drive.

Thank you for reading and please keep this between you and me, I would hate for Autodesk big brother come down on me.


The stretch command only stretches objects it partially crosses. If an object is completely selected by AutoCAD's crossing window , what part of it is to be stretched? The answer is ALL of it (some call that "move", but in this case it really being stretched).

Ever since I have been using AutoCAD (R11), stretch worked this way. However, you can now make multiple selection windows to create your stretch selection set.

If you genuinely think you have a suggestion that will improve AutoCAD for all users, I suggest submitting to the wishlist.

If you want to complain vigorously about this software, you may be in poor company; most of us love AutoCAD.

[TimTheriault]

Does anyone have a fix for this yet. I'm guessing its only a matter of time before it bugs someone long enough. I didn't find the wishlist post upon searching.
Thanks for the help.
- T

[BrenBren]

Does anyone have a fix for this yet. I'm guessing its only a matter of time before it bugs someone long enough. I didn't find the wishlist post upon searching.
Thanks for the help.
- T
Have you read through the thread? I'm not really sure what you are looking for a "fix" for...

[scott.wilcox]

Does anyone have a fix for this yet. I'm guessing its only a matter of time before it bugs someone long enough. I didn't find the wishlist post upon searching.
Thanks for the help.
- T
I don't know what need fixing, either. Can you post a dwg or explain?

[TimTheriault]

It looked like it was explained pretty good in this thread. I was also aggravated by 2006 only accepting the crossing window for picking objects to do a stretch command with.

I have looked for a lisp, script, routine, etc. that would let me restore the previous release's stretch abilities for a non-crossing window and come up shorthanded. Autodesk does not seem to want to address it on their discussions and half of the users I speak to had not known that a non-crossing window was able to be used to pick grip points on items to be stretched. (Also evidenced by previous posts in this thread)

My main reason for asking is that I didn't see the wishlist post asking for this and would be happy to author it if no-one had done so yet.

[rkmcswain]

I too, do not see what needs "fixing"?

Certain users may want the command to behave differently, but that is a different issue. Nothing is really broken here.

Feel free to submit this on the wishlist.

[Rico]

I don't think anything needs fixing either. Stretch only works on objects selected left to right (dotted rectangle) anything that is selected right to left (solid line rectangle) is only to be moved.

I will say this, though. Make sure that, when selecting an object to be stretched that the centre point (in a line, for example) is not selected. Selecting this will cause the WHOLE line to be moved. Centre points and basepoints.

[TimTheriault]

I understand all of your inputs and reasons for them. I disagree with the idea that this process should not be reviewed for optimal performance. Thank you for the responses.

Wishlist created here:
http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?p=363445#post363445
I hope that is the right place, i'm still sort of a new to this forum

[BrenBren]

I understand all of your inputs and reasons for them. I disagree with the idea that this process should not be reviewed for optimal performance. Thank you for the responses.

Wishlist created here:
http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?p=363445#post363445
I hope that is the right place, i'm still sort of a new to this forum
Nope, not the right place. Check here (http://www.augi.com/autocad/default.asp?page=847)

(one would think I would know that link by heart, and yet I still had to go look for it :Oops: )

[TimTheriault]

my sincerest aoplogies

[Opie]

Nope, not the right place. Check here (http://www.augi.com/autocad/default.asp?page=847)

(one would think I would know that link by heart, and yet I still had to go look for it :Oops: )
I pointed him to it. But of course, I have it in my Signature. :p

[Rico]

I understand all of your inputs and reasons for them. I disagree with the idea that this process should not be reviewed for optimal performance. Thank you for the responses.

Wishlist created here:
http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?p=363445#post363445
I hope that is the right place, i'm still sort of a new to this forum
I don't think anyone is saying that it shouldn't reviewed for future modifications. Just that this is the way it is and has been for some time. And as such, there is no need to fix it, as it is not broken.

Now if they wanted to tweak it for a future release, I'm all ears.

[jaberwok]

Going back to the original post - the described behaviour is as it should be and as it always has been. What's to fix?

:confused:

[TimTheriault]

Not to beat a dead horse, but it is not as it always has been. There would not be these threads if it were.

In a nutshell, picking the window from right to left and then selecting a line within that window turns the functions of the stretch command to be identical to the functions of the base move command. In 2005 and earlier, we were able to use that non-crossing window to pick the area that we wanted stretched and then select the specific items in that area to be stretched. This is no longer possible using this method in 2006.

One example of how it is cumbersome is that we can easily be zoomed into a small portion of our drawing, stretch the way we always had stretched and the other end of that line that is off screen moves instead of stretches, leaving an unintended gap off screen that we later find sometimes during final plotting.

Another example is if I have a bunch of lines jumbled together I can do a non-crossing window stretch in past releases (2005 and earlier) and then select only the lines that I want to stretch. Whereas, now I have to use a crossing window and then unselect every little piece that I did not want in my window, possibly including a large xref file that slows my drawing when picked.

Bottom line. I was only looking for a lisp or routine or something that can restore the options I had with the stretch command in 2005 and earlier that are no longer the same.

Please forgive my use of the word "fix" as its intended meaning has been misunderstood and has obviously done more harm then good. I still have the desire to customize the stretch command for optimum efficiency. Hopefully someone can help me with my issue at some point in the future. Thank you for your time.

- Tim

[scott.wilcox]

In a nutshell, picking the window from right to left and then selecting a line within that window turns the functions of the stretch command to be identical to the functions of the base move command. In 2005 and earlier, we were able to use that non-crossing window to pick the area that we wanted stretched and then select the specific items in that area to be stretched. This is no longer possible using this method in 2006. I think you mean left to right here.




One example of how it is cumbersome is that we can easily be zoomed into a small portion of our drawing, stretch the way we always had stretched and the other end of that line that is off screen moves instead of stretches, leaving an unintended gap off screen that we later find sometimes during final plotting.

Another example is if I have a bunch of lines jumbled together I can do a non-crossing window stretch in past releases (2005 and earlier) and then select only the lines that I want to stretch. Whereas, now I have to use a crossing window and then unselect every little piece that I did not want in my window, possibly including a large xref file that slows my drawing when picked.

Bottom line. I was only looking for a lisp or routine or something that can restore the options I had with the stretch command in 2005 and earlier that are no longer the same.

Please forgive my use of the word "fix" as its intended meaning has been misunderstood and has obviously done more harm then good. I still have the desire to customize the stretch command for optimum efficiency. Hopefully someone can help me with my issue at some point in the future. Thank you for your time.

- TimTim, yes, when you PICK an object in 2006 stretch command, it moves the object. However, you can now achieve your desired result by crossing a window on the end of the line (or whatever object) instead of picking it. AutoCAD now allows multiple crossing windows when creating stretch selection sets.

[Doodlemusmaximus]

I know this may seem daft and may have been covered already, but hasn't it always been the same that you have to use a crossing window to select an object to stretch?


I can't seem to remember ever doing it any other way.

[rkmcswain]

I know this may seem daft and may have been covered already, but hasn't it always been the same that you have to use a crossing window to select an object to stretch?


Yes, that is what the prompt has said since at least R13.



I can't seem to remember ever doing it any other way.

Apparently, some people were in the habit of selecting (picking on) objects, *then* windowing them, *then* stretching. This worked in older versions, but now it doesn't. I never understood the desire to "pick" either....